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Old 08-06-2019, 08:56 PM
 
Location: New Orleans
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I really don't care if the shooter is left or right. He's a murderer and a pre-meditative murderer at that.

 
Old 08-06-2019, 08:58 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Originally Posted by miquel_westano View Post
I read things by people I disagree with more than by those I agree with. I want to try to understand what makes other people tick and why we have differing opinions. I think the only way to fight an enemy is to understand them, and the only way to gain a friend is to get to know them. To each his own, but just ignoring things like this wont make them go away.

This guy was clearly a monster and murderer with serious issues. But, had I not read his manifesto and relied on the press with their very limited coverage of it, I would not have the understanding of him I do now. It was a few minutes well spent in my mind.
Guy was a loser, probably on drugs, and blamed everyone else why he was a loser. Why read it.
 
Old 08-06-2019, 08:59 PM
 
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Do any alt right white nationalists also complain about college costs and care at all about climate change? I think some do. Of course killing Mexicans was highest on his agenda.
Possibly, but it is unlikely anyone who bases his beliefs on Donald Trump and the Republican party would rant about college debt, pollution, corporations and over population. Those tend to be more socialist talking points than Republican.


I think the guy was a killer looking for a cause. I doubt the Republicans, democrats, Warren, Sanders, Cortes, or Trump had any effect at all on his behavior. But I think the press should have published the whole manifesto or none at all rather than cherry pick a few lines.
 
Old 08-06-2019, 09:01 PM
 
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Guy was a loser, probably on drugs, and blamed everyone else why he was a loser. Why read it.
Because I want to see the whole thing and see if it really was credible to point the finger at the President of the United States. Why would anyone not want to know the whole truth?
 
Old 08-06-2019, 09:03 PM
 
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Any white supremicist worth their salt knows the white population is not overpopulating.
 
Old 08-06-2019, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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I found the unverified manifesto and read it. He definitely sounds like a white supremacist to me.
 
Old 08-06-2019, 09:03 PM
 
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Originally Posted by miquel_westano View Post
I read things by people I disagree with more than by those I agree with. I want to try to understand what makes other people tick and why we have differing opinions. I think the only way to fight an enemy is to understand them, and the only way to gain a friend is to get to know them. To each his own, but just ignoring things like this wont make them go away.

This guy was clearly a monster and murderer with serious issues. But, had I not read his manifesto and relied on the press with their very limited coverage of it, I would not have the understanding of him I do now. It was a few minutes well spent in my mind.
Reading his drivel is a waste of time to me. Too bad the cops couldn’t save the taxpayers the money for a lengthy trial.
 
Old 08-06-2019, 09:04 PM
 
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Too late. The media done made this a "white man bad" / "orange man bad" issue
 
Old 08-06-2019, 09:07 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Originally Posted by HappyRider View Post
I'll let CNN tell me what he said.

At this point hoping that MSM is going to tell the real story about both shooters is a pipedream. The narrative is set. Only Trump tweets can force the issue.
I'm sorry, but the first part of this post is what is a part of the problem in this country. Far to many people not willing to dig into things for themselves, and instead choosing to let their preferred "news" network tell them what they need to know about a current issue. Of course, the problem with that is you aren't just getting the unfiltered story, you are getting the spin of your chosen "news" provider. Each and every mainstream "news" source has their own agenda, which they happily shove down the consumers throats through every story they report. The only way we ever really get the full picture is by actually looking into things ourselves. Cut out the middle men when it comes to information and dig a little for yourself. Saying "I'll let CNN tell me what he said" is insane, because they aren't actually going to tell you everything he said. They will simply cherry-pick things like his so-called "manifesto" for key phrases which go along with their agenda, and report that to you. These networks don't care that they are feeding us only half the story most of the time, because whatever half they have chosen to feed us furthers their goals and standing with their primary audience. If you really want to know what's going on, you must dig a little for yourself and try to piece together the whole story. Otherwise, you are running around with only a piece of the story instead of the whole thing, leaving you unable to truly voice a true opinion on pretty much any subject. Instead, you simply find yourself regurgitating whatever Wolf or Hannity fed you that evening.
 
Old 08-06-2019, 09:07 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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I found the unverified manifesto and read it. He definitely sounds like a white supremacist to me.
Undoubtedly a White supremacist. But also a progressive-socialist-environmentalist. Not sure why people can't get their heads around the fact that a person can be all those things. Minus the environmentalism, that's literally what Hitler & the Nazis were.
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