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Old 08-03-2019, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Out West
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Yet most of the spectacular mass shooters were not medicated.

Perhaps if some had been, they would not have developed and executed a mass shooting.
Untreated mental illness is definitely a problem in this country. We can't force anyone to take meds. We don't have all of those asylums anymore. Reagan did good things, but this is one of those things that he did that I think was about the dumbest thing he ever did.

Now look at what we have. Mentally ill people all over the place - some get help, a lot do not. Some find out that they have one, but refuse any medication.

So what's the answer?

Banning guns isn't going to stop mental illness, nor will it stop mass killings. You don't need a gun to kill a large number of people.

So, again - instead of blaming the president, congress, guns, etc, when are people going to realize that we have a major mental illness problem in this country.

Did we have this much mental illness in the past? Has anyone looked that up? Was it that they were being medicated and/or in asylums, and that is why we didn't have these mass shootings as often?

People used to carry guns to school - as in high school - in their cars, trucks, on them. It was allowed, no one blinked an eye. And all of those people who carried them didn't shoot up their schools.

In this day, millions of Americans own guns. Some of them carry on them at all times. None of them shoot up a whole bunch of people, or even anyone. Not even those who would have the right to do so in self defense.

So what happened?

We have people who do not value life in any way.

We have people who are mentally ill and not being treated, and we can't force it on them.

And a good chunk of this country doesn't want to address the elephant in the room. It's not the damn gun, it's not the president, it's not Congress, it's not "everyone else", it's the mental illness - that includes individuals, and it includes gang members. They have serious mental issues.

 
Old 08-03-2019, 03:25 PM
 
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Which BigPharma drugs was he taking? When you kill someone you lose your right to privacy as well as freedom
 
Old 08-03-2019, 03:26 PM
 
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Jesus Christ. Get out of my head. I couldn’t agree with you any more.
Part of the problem is, we value money in our society more over the well being of our nation and people.
People chase the money and their careers more over family and friends.
Then, if they put their careers and money aside, people complain it is their fault for not having enough money to support the cost of living.

Our country gives kudos to people working 2 or 3 jobs to make ends meet and then complains when they do not have enough time to raise their kids.

You cannot win.
 
Old 08-03-2019, 03:27 PM
 
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The latest information is that 22 people were shot. Of those 22, Vista Del Sol which is close to where I live received 11 of them. Of those 11, two are in stable condition and nine are in critical condition.

Video was just released of the shooter being put in back of a police car.
 
Old 08-03-2019, 03:27 PM
 
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give it a few minutes, before any details really come out somebody will be talking about gun control and this will be an appropriate forum.
Actually, this took place in El Paso. I would expect someone to come onto this thread and talking about "we need that wall".
 
Old 08-03-2019, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Austin TX
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Part of the problem is, we value money in our society more over the well being of our nation and people.
People chase the money and their carreers more over family and friends.
Then, if they put their careers and money aside, people complain it is their fault for not having enough money to support the cost of living.

You cannot win.
Absolutely true. Case in point: we keep our money safe with armed guards, but not our people.
 
Old 08-03-2019, 03:28 PM
 
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Hmm if you look up his voter registration it doesn't say Democrat, nor does it say Republican or anything else other than active because well there is no party registration....
There is a record kept of whether you voted in the Democrat or Republican primary in Texas. This is what it means to be "registered" in Texas. That is different from what it means in some other states.
 
Old 08-03-2019, 03:29 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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ALL three cable news are covering it and interviewing people- sometimes the same people. They are also interviewing LE about their thoughts on what’s going on.

MSNBC announced the suspect is 21 years old.

Fox is reporting the shooter used a semi- automatic.

Initial reports are not always correct.
The photo of him walking in, with ear mufflers, he had a wood stock AK-47 variant
 
Old 08-03-2019, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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He looks like a loser. Maybe he is one of those dudes who can't get any sex from women. Forget what they call themselves.

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/patrick-crusius/
The is still hearsay based on something an unnamed LE reportedly told a reporter.

No official confirmation, yet.

It’s a German name.
 
Old 08-03-2019, 03:29 PM
 
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Absolutely true. Case in point: we keep our money safe with armed guards, but not our people.
It has always been like that. I read Thomas Sowell's "Black Rednecks And White Liberals". One thing I found out is that in the antebellum South, the punishment for stealing a horse was harsher than for rape.
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