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Old 08-03-2019, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TRex2 View Post
They are the ones we need to take guns away from.

Old 08-03-2019, 05:11 PM
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Originally Posted by KCZ View Post
Has there been a news conference where an LE or other public official has stated how many fatalities occurred? Fox and CNN are still saying one, ABC saying 18, and NBC saying 19 with dozens injured.
Both CNN and Fox are now saying at least 15.
Old 08-03-2019, 05:11 PM
Location: Oregon Coast
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Originally Posted by thecoalman View Post
I think it's pretty clear that most mass shooters have mental issues. Whether that is the case here remains to be seen. Muslim terrorists are ideologically driven, anyone can be turned into an ideologically driven terrorist.
White nationalism is ideologically driven. It's the exact same thing.

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Old 08-03-2019, 05:11 PM
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Originally Posted by burdell View Post
It's appropriate for the death penalty too. If there's absolutely no doubt who the shooter was, he should be tried, convicted, and unless the defense can point to legal errors in the procedure within 30 days, he should be put down like the cur he is.

Be careful what you wish for.

There is a line of thought that people are willing to convict someone to death because they know if they have made a mistake, there is plenty of time to catch it.

Now, change that to 30 days and one may end up with the jury not going for guilty. If it's not guilty, he's FREE!
Old 08-03-2019, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Icy Tea View Post
Would you rather live in a society where people don't want to do things like this or one where people are prevented from doing things like this?
They caught him and they'll find out what made him do this.
Nope, most times the perpetrator blows their brains out and the state creates the narrative that is conducive to their agenda.
Old 08-03-2019, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JerseyGirl415 View Post
It was a stupid comparison because the Second Amendment specifically says the right to bear "arms" which obviously means guns. The First Amendment does not use similar specific language, discussing pens or paper or any sort of technology about the means of producing or dispersing speech.
If you want to go down that route then pens, typewriters the internet and other modern implements are not covered at all. Your stuck with the implements of the day, quill pens and hand operated printing presses.

It just says the government cannot abridge free speech (which by the way is not a weapon that is capable of hurting people, neither are any of the means means of speech though you used the phrase "assault ball point pen" which is obviously just absurd).
Words both written and spoken are more dangerous than any gun will ever be, in this very topic we have accusations of Trump causing this because of the words he has spoken.

Some people tend to predictably and simply point to the Second Amendment and basically say, "see it says we have the right to bear arms that should not be infringed, so there you go, we can have guns and the government can't take them away ever," and it ends there,
It doesn't end there, you can amend the Constitution. Of course that is difficult path but that is on purpose.
Old 08-03-2019, 05:13 PM
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
Every kid? Do you need a hand lifting that broad brush?

Most mass shooters were not medicated.

Most people who are medicated do not engage in a mass shooting.
How do you truly know that, with the fact that the client/doctor privacy act is pretty much law in this country? They could very well be on many kinds of drugs, and yet, you will never know the real truth about it, since a doctor will protect his interest and the privacy of his client.
Old 08-03-2019, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by MPowering1 View Post
They may not be new, but they're soaring.

250 incidents in 2019 through the end of July, killing almost 1,000 people? That's pretty new.
I went to school in Houston in the early 80's and there were reports of teachers and students being shot and it never made the national news. It is as old as time.
Old 08-03-2019, 05:14 PM
Location: Midwest
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Originally Posted by DaBurgh View Post
Only 10 posts for you to politicize a tragedy

Good job

Asking whether the president released a statement yet about this tragedy is politicizing it?
Old 08-03-2019, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by thecoalman View Post
I think it's pretty clear that most mass shooters have mental issues. ...
Yet the Republican party never actually moves to address mental health. No proposed effort, no programs ... nothing.

While perhaps true in individual cases, it's used as a convenient excuse, nothing more.
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