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Old 08-03-2019, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Pacific Beach/San Diego
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Originally Posted by SharpshooterTom View Post
There is some weird notion that these racist/homophobic attacks are ONLY happening under president Trump, and wouldn't happen under anyone else is utter horsecrap.

Anders Breivik (Neo Nazi) - 77 dead - July 2011 - Under President Obama
Dylann Roof (hated blacks) - 9 dead - June 2015 - Under President Obama
Omar Mateen (hated gays) - 49 dead - June 2016 - Under President Obama

I'm not saying some of Trumps rhetoric isn't harmful but hate filled mass shootings have clearly pre dated Trump and anyone who suggests otherwise is clearly politicking.
Why would Obama be blamed for a foreign shooting spree?

 
Old 08-03-2019, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Arenít all mass shootings hate crimes? What the f difference does it make to prosecute it that way? Heís still never getting out of prison alive.
Because you throw "hate" in there and you might as well say Trump pulled the trigger.
 
Old 08-03-2019, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Central Illinois -
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Can't say I would disagree with all he said. Most, if not all, is true and is happening as we can see from our own eyes. While I agree with his manifesto, unfortunately, the only thing I disagree with is the way he handled his disappointment to what is happening to America. A shooting spree is not a way to go.

As he mentioned in his manifesto, it's about the corrupt members in congress and not because he was a Trump guy as many on the Left is stating, just like what he said the Left will do.

While I agree with what he is saying, it's disheartening the path he chose to send his message out.
Disheartening. Killing 20 people is 'disheartening'.
 
Old 08-03-2019, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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Another horrific incident that's becoming almost a norm in this country. I can't imagine what the families are feeling right now.
 
Old 08-03-2019, 09:05 PM
 
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Why would Obama be blamed for a foreign shooting spree?
Because some people have linked the NZ massacre to Trumps rhetoric and the global rise of white nationalism.

He's not helping, but it predates him.
 
Old 08-03-2019, 09:05 PM
 
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Originally Posted by LordBalfor View Post
Tuesdays' shooting wasn't political. It was personal. Why would I blame Trump or anyone else but the shooter?
THIS shooting was political - hence the manifesto.

Ken
Ice facility? Surely that was political
 
Old 08-03-2019, 09:06 PM
 
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Originally Posted by SoCal_Native View Post
I agree with a lot of the statements in that manifesto. For example, how many same race parents would feel 100% neutral if their kid married someone of a different race? Nothing wrong about feeling that way. It's completely natural.
I have a black son-in-law, and love him to death. Heís great for my daughter, and I think they have a very strong and loving relationship. She dated some white guys I would have hated to see her marry. I look at people as individuals.
 
Old 08-03-2019, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Originally Posted by SharpshooterTom View Post
There is some weird notion that these racist/homophobic attacks are ONLY happening under president Trump, and wouldn't happen under anyone else is utter horsecrap.

Anders Breivik (Neo Nazi) - 77 dead - July 2011 - Under President Obama
Dylann Roof (hated blacks) - 9 dead - June 2015 - Under President Obama
Omar Mateen (hated gays) - 49 dead - June 2016 - Under President Obama

I'm not saying some of Trumps rhetoric isn't harmful but hate filled mass shootings have clearly pre dated Trump and anyone who suggests otherwise is clearly politicking.
The fact is the same rhetoric used to get some to go out to vote will get a few nuts motivation to kill.
 
Old 08-03-2019, 09:06 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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He doesn't leave it out. He explicitly say it to both parties. Again, read one more time.
I wasn't referring to "both parties". I was referring to both the GOP and Trump. Blame for THOSE is what he leaves out - and THEY both deserve blame.

Ken
 
Old 08-03-2019, 09:07 PM
 
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Originally Posted by SharpshooterTom View Post
There is some weird notion that these racist/homophobic attacks are ONLY happening under president Trump, and wouldn't happen under anyone else is utter horsecrap.

Anders Breivik (Neo Nazi) - 77 dead - July 2011 - Under President Obama
Dylann Roof (hated blacks) - 9 dead - June 2015 - Under President Obama
Omar Mateen (hated gays) - 49 dead - June 2016 - Under President Obama

I'm not saying some of Trumps rhetoric isn't harmful but hate filled mass shootings have clearly pre dated Trump and anyone who suggests otherwise is clearly politicking.

Obama was not a mentor of the serial killers listed above. You can't say the same about the serial killers who have killed during Trump the era! They all have mimicked Donald Trump's rhetoric!
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