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Old Yesterday, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Here.
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Farmers have been subsidized long enough.

https://www.downsizinggovernment.org...ture/subsidies
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Old Yesterday, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Farming sucked long before Trump ever got involved. Farming had one of the highest suicide rates of any occupation in America before Trump took office. The only reason you take notice now is because their suffering has become political fodder for the left. They love to laugh at people while they are down and out, particularly people like farmers who live a very independent life, free from group think and left wing indoctrination. People who pick themselves up by the bootstraps are the mortal enemy of the left, and must be crushed so leftist narratives and soul crushing socialism reign supreme over all the peasantry.
It maybe true that the life of the farmer sucked before Trump. The problem is Trump made it sound like he was the champion of the American farmer when he sold them up the river for his nationalistic economic policy. A nationalistic economic policy that he himself don't follow because he uses cheap labor for his clothes and uses Chinese steel. I'm sorry but you and the farmers voted for a liar, a cheat and a hypocrite.
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Old Yesterday, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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What's been surprising to me is that the Tariffs thus far have not proven inflationary. That may still be to come, and would put pressure on the Fed to increase interest rates in 2020, which would then have an anti-stimulus effect.
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Old Yesterday, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Houston
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The Russophobes never stop whining about how evil the Russians are- they've absconded with our soybeans and now our poor farmers are going out of business.


Meanwhile our delightful Chinese suppliers have bombarded us with so much stuff that 55,000+ US factories have closed since Bill Clinton signed the China PNTR Act on Oct. 10, 2000. One wonders how Bill Clinton was rewarded for his signature?
Yet we are basically at full employment.
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Old Yesterday, 09:17 PM
 
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Yet we are basically at full employment.
This is a good point. We're still seeing the effects of the Bush and Obama era on the economy. It will be some time before we see the effects of Trump's. Hopefully it will continue the trend.
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Old Yesterday, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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The solution to this is to lessen the amount of farming, and just grow enough to feed this country, and not the rest of the world.
The same goes for all other product we pay China to ship here.
Make these damn products here, and stop this foolish China blackmailing us to take their lousy, cheap products.

Were I the president, I would stop ALL trading with the rest of the world, and make all the products here in the United States, for people of the United States, an no one else.
Employ Americans, for Americans.

Bob.
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Old Yesterday, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Houston
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So, do nothing?

"U.S. goods and services trade with China totaled an estimated $737.1 billion in 2018. Exports were $179.3 billion; imports were $557.9 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade deficit with China was $378.6 billion in 2018."

https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/c...republic-china
Trade deficits are not a negative and are absolutely necessary to maintain the dollar’s status as the world’s reserve currency.

Pocohantas and Bern agree with ya however.
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Old Yesterday, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Houston
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The solution to this is to lessen the amount of farming, and just grow enough to feed this country, and not the rest of the world.
The same goes for all other product we pay China to ship here.
Make these damn products here, and stop this foolish China blackmailing us to take their lousy, cheap products.

Were I the president, I would stop ALL trading with the rest of the world, and make all the products here in the United States, for people of the United States, an no one else.
Employ Americans, for Americans.

Bob.
Pure economic ignorance.
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Old Yesterday, 10:36 PM
 
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Trade deficits are not a negative and are absolutely necessary to maintain the dollar’s status as the world’s reserve currency.

Well now how did the US$ fare when the USA had large trade surpluses every year up until 1976? It used to be that 25˘ bought a German Mark or a Swiss Frank. Now it takes $1.02 to buy a Swiss Frank.


The US Congress has given up any semblance of fiscal restraint and has suspended the "debt ceiling." Why our trading partners still continue to accept US$ in exchange for their manufactured goods is a puzzle.
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Old Today, 01:27 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Pure economic ignorance.
Correct in a global economy, but we should get back to serving this nation, not the rest of the world.
Catering to the rest of the world is how we got into this mess in the first place.
The best thing the president could do would to go on record stating the United states will no longer accept anything from foreign countries, and the united states will no longer ship anything to foreign countries.
Provide all that is necessary for the people of the United States.
No more imports, and no more exports.


Bob.

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