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View Poll Results: Beto O'Rourke: Trump's 'racism' leads to violence like El Paso mass shooting
Yes 74 37.95%
No 115 58.97%
Other 6 3.08%
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Old Today, 10:16 AM
 
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Oh geez, CMON guys...surely you can see, if this was truly accurate, its an attempt to vilify Trump! (nothing more, nothing less).
The left blames President Trump for everything that goes wrong.
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Old Today, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Can't vilify someone for saying what they said:

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best."

"They're sending people that have a lot of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."



And which part of that exactly isn't true?

Immigrants don't come here because they're happy in their home countries.

Immigrants have just as many issues as anyone else.

Many are bad people.

Many are good people.

But being a good person doesn't give them the right to ignore our immigration laws..
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Old Today, 10:30 AM
 
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“You reap what you sow, and he is sowing seeds of hate in this country. This harvest of hate violence we’re seeing right now lies at his feet,” Sen. Cory Booker of New Jersey said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” ″He is responsible.”

https://www.apnews.com/6d324c661d5f4a748c0990c8444efdb3
He's made it clear he hates all the fake news that the left media is putting out every minute of every day. If your theory were true, wouldn't there be shootings at the news rooms that are broadcasting all this bs every minute of every day?

And if President Trump says he hates McDonalds hamburgers, you'd blame him for anything that went wrong at a McDonalds too.
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Old Today, 10:40 AM
 
Location: St Paul
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Trump is quite obviously NOT responsible. No reasonable person could claim otherwise. He has denounced racism & White supremacy in no uncertain terms, on numerous occaisions. The shooter even stated in his 'manifesto' that his views were cemented long before Trump was elected POTUS.

I didn't think Bernie Sanders was responsible for James Hodgkinson attempting to assassinate all those GOP congressmen at the baseball game. I didn't think AOC was responsible for the Antifa terrorist attack on the ICE facility a few weeks back where the bomber quoted her "concentration camps" rhetoric as his trigger for trying to bomb the ICE facility. I don't think Bernie Sanders & Elizabeth Warren are responsible for the Ohio shooting this weekend, despite the killer supporting their candidacies, Socialism & Antifa. If the left wants to assign blame to every kook shooter or terrorist in the country, then they have to play by the rules and accept responsibility when it's one of theirs. Personally, I think it's absolute nonsense to do so.

For thinkers beyond MSM headlines, the interesting thing about the shooter in El Paso is he appears to be an actual Nazi. Not just someone the left labels a Nazi as a political tool like they normally do. He is a progressive, Socialist, White supremacist, like Adolph Hitler & the Nazis were. In his manifesto he laments that with all the immigrants weighing us down, it'll be much harder to "achieve ambitious social programs" like Universal Health Care & a Universal Basic Income implemented. He rants on about the unaffordability of college, how we're in an environmental crisis, plastic waste, urban sprawl, how Big Oil is polluting & it's all the fault of the corporations. Hardly right wing talking points.

- "In the near future, America will have to initiate a basic universal income to prevent widespread poverty and civil unrest as people lose their jobs."

- "Achieving ambitious social projects like universal health care and UBI would be far more likely to succeed if tens of millions of dependents are removed."

- "The cost of college degrees has exploded as their value has plummeted. This has led to a generation of indebted, overqualified students filling menial, low paying and unfulfilling jobs."

- "The American lifestyle affords our citizens an incredible quality of life. However, our lifestyle is destroying the environment of our country. The decimation of the environment is creating a massive burden for future generations. Corporations are heading the destruction of our environment by shamelessly overharvesting resources."

- "Fresh water is being polluted by farming and oil drilling operations. Consumer culture is creating thousands of tons of unnecessary plastic waste and electronic waste, and recycling to help slow this down is almost non-existent."

- "Urban sprawl creates inefficient cities which unnecessarily destroys millions of acres of land. We even use god knows how many trees worth of paper towels just to wipe off our hands."

- "The government is unwilling to tackle these issues beyond empty promises since they are owned by corporations."

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Old Today, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Bellingham, WA
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I like Trumps policies on trade and border security/illegal immigration, as those issues are having a major impact on our quality of life, safety, and economy.
I feel that the left-biased MEDIA (which is most of it) is driving the division of the American people, in a "lets run the ship aground because we're not the captain anymore" move.
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Old Today, 11:09 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Hitler was not a socialist, he was extremely right-wing. Don't let the name of his party fool you.

The shooter is just another confused white guy who doesn't know how to cope with the changing times, and Latinos are his scapegoat.
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Old Today, 11:23 AM
 
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Beto looks and sounds Presidential. He is the sort of compassionate human the country needs.
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Old Today, 11:26 AM
 
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Trump is quite obviously NOT responsible. No reasonable person could claim otherwise. He has denounced racism & White supremacy in no uncertain terms, on numerous occaisions. The shooter even stated in his 'manifesto' that his views were cemented long before Trump was elected POTUS.

I didn't think Bernie Sanders was responsible for James Hodgkinson attempting to assassinate all those GOP congressmen at the baseball game. I didn't think AOC was responsible for the Antifa terrorist attack on the ICE facility a few weeks back where the bomber quoted her "concentration camps" rhetoric as his trigger for trying to bomb the ICE facility. I don't think Bernie Sanders & Elizabeth Warren are responsible for the Ohio shooting this weekend, despite the killer supporting their candidacies, Socialism & Antifa. If the left wants to assign blame to every kook shooter or terrorist in the country, then they have to play by the rules and accept responsibility when it's one of theirs. Personally, I think it's absolute nonsense to do so.

For thinkers beyond MSM headlines, the interesting thing about the shooter in El Paso is he appears to be an actual Nazi. Not just someone the left labels a Nazi as a political tool like they normally do. He is a progressive, Socialist, White supremacist, like Adolph Hitler & the Nazis were. In his manifesto he laments that with all the immigrants weighing us down, it'll be much harder to "achieve ambitious social programs" like Universal Health Care & a Universal Basic Income implemented. He rants on about the unaffordability of college, how we're in an environmental crisis, plastic waste, urban sprawl, how Big Oil is polluting & it's all the fault of the corporations. Hardly right wing talking points.

- "In the near future, America will have to initiate a basic universal income to prevent widespread poverty and civil unrest as people lose their jobs."

- "Achieving ambitious social projects like universal health care and UBI would be far more likely to succeed if tens of millions of dependents are removed."

- "The cost of college degrees has exploded as their value has plummeted. This has led to a generation of indebted, overqualified students filling menial, low paying and unfulfilling jobs."

- "The American lifestyle affords our citizens an incredible quality of life. However, our lifestyle is destroying the environment of our country. The decimation of the environment is creating a massive burden for future generations. Corporations are heading the destruction of our environment by shamelessly overharvesting resources."

- "Fresh water is being polluted by farming and oil drilling operations. Consumer culture is creating thousands of tons of unnecessary plastic waste and electronic waste, and recycling to help slow this down is almost non-existent."

- "Urban sprawl creates inefficient cities which unnecessarily destroys millions of acres of land. We even use god knows how many trees worth of paper towels just to wipe off our hands."

- "The government is unwilling to tackle these issues beyond empty promises since they are owned by corporations."

Why does he keep promoting racism if he's denounced it? He keeps demonizing people of color and therefore these problems will continue. He laughs when people talk about shooting migrants. Hell, he's even said something about using guns on migrants himself. He says Mexicans are drug dealers and rapists. He tells Congresswomen of color to go back to the countries they came from? He does nothing but foment hate against "other." Change starts at the top, but sadly we have no role model there.
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Old Today, 11:27 AM
 
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I like Trumps policies on trade and border security/illegal immigration, as those issues are having a major impact on our quality of life, safety, and economy.
I feel that the left-biased MEDIA (which is most of it) is driving the division of the American people, in a "lets run the ship aground because we're not the captain anymore" move.
It's not the media. Trump says and does divisive race-hating things. How is that the media's fault? Because they report on what he tweets?

I agree that Congress needs to do something on immigration reform. But Trump's demonizing minorities isn't helping.
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Old Today, 11:32 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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They said on the news that it was the 250th mass shooting this year. Seems society as a whole is in trouble...
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