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Old Today, 03:03 AM
 
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Anger or violent acting out is often related to mental health problems (IED, depression, anxiety and so on).
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Old Today, 03:47 AM
 
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I dont want politicians and their state determining what mental health is. And as has been with other state run institutions, any mental health scheme will be heavily politicized and weaponized against those not in power.
Disagree with the gay lifestyle? Off to the hospital for inclusion therapy with the other bigots!
Want to own a weapon? Surely you are paranoid for not trusting govt police to protect you. Off to the hospital!
Skeptical of climate change? Your delusion requires treatment. Off to the hospital!
War protester? Your Pacifism makes you a danger to society. Get in that ambulance!

And IMO most mental health "issues" are behaviors that are simply misunderstood or outside the mainstream, not actual illness.
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Old Today, 03:51 AM
 
Location: East Midlands, UK
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My theory is that it comes from uncontrolled anger. Sometimes hate and anger are intertwined, so maybe I'm splitting hairs. But anger is usually behind these shootings. All the folks blaming mental illness for all of these shootings are taking the easy road out. Neither hate nor anger are mental illnesses.
Definitely agree. And envy and loneliness / isolation can create that anger and hatred.
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Old Today, 04:08 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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I dont want politicians and their state determining what mental health is. And as has been with other state run institutions, any mental health scheme will be heavily politicized and weaponized against those not in power.
Disagree with the gay lifestyle? Off to the hospital for inclusion therapy with the other bigots!
Want to own a weapon? Surely you are paranoid for not trusting govt police to protect you. Off to the hospital!
Skeptical of climate change? Your delusion requires treatment. Off to the hospital!
War protester? Your Pacifism makes you a danger to society. Get in that ambulance!

And IMO most mental health "issues" are behaviors that are simply misunderstood or outside the mainstream, not actual illness.
After the biggest shooting, the one that took place in Las Veges with practically nothing being done about it to prevent future ones, I've resigned to accepting these mass shootings as no different than deaths from car accidents. It's part of our culture we have to learn to accept and live iwth just like we do car accident deaths. There were 40,000 car accident deaths in 2018 and over 14,000 deaths caused by guns.
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Old Today, 04:47 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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I am talking the type that used to commonly house thousands.

If people like the Wal Mart killer were in one, 20 innocent people would be alive.

There are people that cannot safely walk amongst civilized society.

These hospitals provided a useful option for society to maintain safety for the civilized.
Who would have put him in one? Was there something in his background we haven't heard about? If so, please provide a link. If there is nothing to back that statement up, then it is nothing but deflection from the real problem, which is much too ready availabilty of semiautomatic weapons with high capacity magazines i public hands.

If we are going to deal with mental health, then let's require a mental health examination prior to purchasing any sort of firearm, and let's require a publicly accessible psychological exam for all prospective presidential candidates, starting with the hatemonger currently squatting in the OO.
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Old Today, 04:57 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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I am talking the type that used to commonly house thousands.

If people like the Wal Mart killer were in one, 20 innocent people would be alive.

There are people that cannot safely walk amongst civilized society.

These hospitals provided a useful option for society to maintain safety for the civilized.
The type used to house thousands generally had a mixture of those sufferng all kinds of disorders from depression through to dementia through to learning disabilities as well as bipolar and schizophrenia, and most were not that secure because very few of these people were a danger to anyone.

In terms of those who are dangerous there are medum and high secure units still in operation in most countries and also special units in prisons.

Perhaps more special units and beds might be welcomed but a return to Victorian Lunatic Asylums is not going to happen, indeed new drugs mean many people with mental illnesses such as schizophrenia, often lead much more normal lives.
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Old Today, 06:01 AM
 
Location: East Midlands, UK
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An interesting perspective on the psychology of male mass killers

https://byrslf.co/thoughts-on-the-ve...g-14af397cee2c
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Old Today, 06:09 AM
 
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Few things

Psychiatric Hospitals of the past were unsafe, over filled, and understaffed. When they closed many were discharged to the street becoming homeless.

Let's fast forward to now. We all have mental health issues. There are times people need help. Unfortunately help isn't there.

We need a National Mental Health and Addiction Department.

Need more funds for mental health services.

Need more assisted community living housing options for those with mental health issues that are need of a little extra support.

Need more short term facilities to provide care and treatment for those in a mental health emergency.

Need more funding for hospital's to improve uponn mental health services.

Need more nurses, techs, social workers, counselors, and so forth.

Need safe ratios.

Need universal mental health care.

Need more social services in primary and secondary schools.

Need medication to be affordable and available.
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Old Today, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Houston
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No evidence whatsoever that any changes in our mental health programs would have done one iota of good here.
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Old Today, 07:16 AM
 
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No evidence whatsoever that any changes in our mental health programs would have done one iota of good here.
Think that could be true.

Though mental health in the U S. is in desperate need of funds and reform.

That is a separate issue from this incident.

Prayers for those affected by this tragedy.
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