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Old 08-04-2019, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Originally Posted by mollygee View Post
All kinds of drugs are most likely related to these killings. Prescribed drugs and illegal. So keeping killers and drugs off the streets, should go hand in hand.

You know there are problems. What can we do????
Swell theory that has no factual basis.
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Old 08-04-2019, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Places you dream of
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A good guy is any person who is not the bad guy.

Most good guys with guns, who aren't good guys working as police, carry to protect themselves and their families.

If you don't want to carry, that's your CHOICE.

The 2nd guarantees my right to carry, and I CHOOSE. To do so.

If you're ever in the scenario of a mass shooting, your only hope is that the police arrive before a bullet arrives in you.

My hope is that either the police arrive or tgat I can shoot him before he shoots me.

My odds would be better than yours.
Seriously doubt you get a clean shot at the perpetrator in a huge building full of people all by yourself. He has the element of surprise and mass panic. You might do the John Wayne, but probabilities you get shot by police first.
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Old 08-04-2019, 09:08 AM
 
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Originally Posted by PedroMartinez View Post
A good guy is any person who is not the bad guy.

Most good guys with guns, who aren't good guys working as police, carry to protect themselves and their families.

If you don't want to carry, that's your CHOICE.

The 2nd guarantees my right to carry, and I CHOOSE. To do so.

If you're ever in the scenario of a mass shooting, your only hope is that the police arrive before a bullet arrives in you.

My hope is that either the police arrive or tgat I can shoot him before he shoots me.

My odds would be better than yours.
The good guy in an open carry state was supposed to be your excuse as the bad guys deterrent.
The bad guy wasnít deterred, open carry didnít matter. You can keep your choice, just stop spouting the BS lines that everyone should have a gun. Itís pointless to keep manufacturing guns just for people to run away from a shooter.
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Old 08-04-2019, 09:08 AM
 
Location: North Carolina
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It must really suck to be so afraid of living that you feel the need to carry a gun all the time. What causes all your fear?
I'm not the person (or type of person) that you're asking this of, but I believe that much of this is a distorted perception of risk, where the amount of fear is based on what they see on the news and other propaganda but they dismiss other risks that are likely more eminent.
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Old 08-04-2019, 09:08 AM
 
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Seriously doubt you get a clean shot at the perpetrator in a huge building full of people all by yourself. He has the element of surprise and mass panic. You might do the John Wayne, but probabilities you get shot by police first.
Maybe, but we still have a better chance than you because we are armed.
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Old 08-04-2019, 09:09 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Again... This will keep happening until we refuse to accept this as normal and gain the courage to act.. That kind of action will never come from conservatives who have embraced these events as acceptable collateral damage for their proliferation of high capacity assault rifles and the like.

Hopefully one day we will join the ranks of civilized nations, but I'm under no illusions that things will get better as a result of this latest round of caebage.
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Old 08-04-2019, 09:09 AM
 
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Part of this is a distorted perception of risk, where the amount of fear is based on what they see on the news and other propaganda but they dismiss other risks that are likely more eminent.
Right back at you. Why are you having this distorted perception of risk so badly that you wa t to ban guns?
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Old 08-04-2019, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Austin TX
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Originally Posted by Harry Hemi View Post
The good guy in an open carry state was supposed to be your excuse as the bad guys deterrent.
The bad guy wasnít deterred, open carry didnít matter. You can keep your choice, just stop spouting the BS lines that everyone should have a gun. Itís pointless to keep manufacturing guns just for people to run away from a shooter.
You should repeat this same post 5-10 more times today, because Lord knows you havenít repeated yourself quite enough yet.
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Old 08-04-2019, 09:11 AM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Right back at you. Why are you having this distorted perception of risk so badly that you wa t to ban guns?
When did I say I wanted to ban guns? My main point all along has been that despite the US's permissive gun culture, we should be ashamed that the US has failed miserably at preventing this type of tragedy from repeatedly and frequently happening, part of which may be regulatory but also part of which is cultural. When we look at the US's rate of violence compared to other economically prosperous countries and even some less prosperous countries, and then see how we're much worse we are than some others, that should be disgraceful to anyone, gun owner or not, unless they just aren't concerned about this, and in that case they are part of the problem. It's a national disgrace.

Thinking it's not a good idea for everybody to be armed everywhere in all situations or acknowledging that that can lead to some really bad outcomes (not just mass violence against others but suicide risk, accidental shootings from carelessness- which also happens frequently, etc.) isn't saying guns should be banned but it is acknowledging that they can cause major problems.

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Old 08-04-2019, 09:13 AM
 
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Seriously doubt you get a clean shot at the perpetrator in a huge building full of people all by yourself. He has the element of surprise and mass panic. You might do the John Wayne, but probabilities you get shot by police first.
Element of surprise.

Maybe to a deaf blind person who doesnt hear the shots or see people running in panic.
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