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Old 08-04-2019, 05:22 AM
 
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Minimum wage, a character issue. That's the essence of personal and political opposition to the FMW rate.
The federal minimum wage, (FMW) rate is of net social and economic benefit to our nation. It has never been among the major causes of the U.S. dollar’s inflation; on the contrary, it’s certainly among inflation's victims.

No employees are poorer and no enterprises suffer any competitive disadvantage to any USA enterprises due to the FMW rate.

[there’s no doubt that USA’s higher wage rates are among the causes of our products’ price disadvantages in comparison to products from lower-wage nations; but although the elimination of our minimum wage laws would be greatly detrimental to our nation’s net social and economic well-being, eliminating it would accomplish extremely little to remedy our products’ global price disadvantages.]

I suppose most USA’s population, (significantly more than a 10% plurality) to some extent approve of federal minimum rate’s existence. There are much fewer among wealthy or competent people that are opposed to the federal minimum rate.

A great proportion of minimum rate opponents lack self-esteem. They need whatever affirmation of their own worth that they can derive by being able to look down upon people experiencing lesser financial conditions. They cannot acknowledge even to themselves their fears of improving the financial conditions of others would consequentially reduce their own social status. That’s the essence of personal and political opposition to the FMW rate.
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Old 08-04-2019, 05:34 AM
 
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We don't lack self-esteem, but thanks for your judgmental attitude against fellow citizens who don't agree with you.

We believe that simply handing people $15 an hour for a job an elementary school kid could do - and which will drive up costs - is not the way to elevate them. Rather, they need to move beyond unskilled work to a job with some more value, and that can be through various training programs, from 6-month certificate to vocational degrees from community college. All are paid for by taxpayers, courtesy of Pell Grants.

My parents, uncles, and aunt got from poverty into the middle class through education. They didn't take some low-level job and demand they be paid more than it was worth.
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Old 08-04-2019, 05:57 AM
 
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Minimum wage, a character issue. That's the essence of personal and political opposition to the FMW rate.
The federal minimum wage, (FMW) rate is of net social and economic benefit to our nation. It has never been among the major causes of the U.S. dollar’s inflation; on the contrary, it’s certainly among inflation's victims.

No employees are poorer and no enterprises suffer any competitive disadvantage to any USA enterprises due to the FMW rate.

[there’s no doubt that USA’s higher wage rates are among the causes of our products’ price disadvantages in comparison to products from lower-wage nations; but although the elimination of our minimum wage laws would be greatly detrimental to our nation’s net social and economic well-being, eliminating it would accomplish extremely little to remedy our products’ global price disadvantages.]

I suppose most USA’s population, (significantly more than a 10% plurality) to some extent approve of federal minimum rate’s existence. There are much fewer among wealthy or competent people that are opposed to the federal minimum rate.

A great proportion of minimum rate opponents lack self-esteem. They need whatever affirmation of their own worth that they can derive by being able to look down upon people experiencing lesser financial conditions. They cannot acknowledge even to themselves their fears of improving the financial conditions of others would consequentially reduce their own social status. That’s the essence of personal and political opposition to the FMW rate.
A FMW is useless. The country has to much "diversity" in the cost of living throughout it.


Even the fed gov't understands this which is why they have COL Adjustments for fed people working in different pasts of the country. People in NY, San Fran etc, get paid MORE then say people living in Topeka, Kansas.
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Old 08-04-2019, 06:22 AM
 
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We don't lack self-esteem, but thanks for your judgmental attitude against fellow citizens who don't agree with you.

We believe that simply handing people $15 an hour for a job an elementary school kid could do - and which will drive up costs - is not the way to elevate them. Rather, they need to move beyond unskilled work to a job with some more value, and that can be through various training programs, from 6-month certificate to vocational degrees from community college. All are paid for by taxpayers, courtesy of Pell Grants.

My parents, uncles, and aunt got from poverty into the middle class through education. They didn't take some low-level job and demand they be paid more than it was worth.
Rachel976. no one's handing people a low-wage, those wages are earned. The minimum wage rate is not public assistance.

The minimum wage critically effects no less than the lowest 20th percentile and substantially affects the remainder of lowest 40th percentile of USA's wage earners. Due tothe concepts of wage differentials, it affects all USA wage rates.

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H.R. 582, “Raise the wage act” is a good bill, but opponents of the bill will refrain from mentioning the minimum hourly rate will not be $15 until 7th year after the bill's passage.

In the likely case that it's not passed through and added to our federal statutes, I urge U.S. Congressional members to continue striving and pass a bill that would increase the minimum wage rate by 12.5% of its purchasing power until it attains 125% of its February-1968 purchasing power. Thereafter the rate should be monitored and annually adjusted to retain that purchasing power.
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Old 08-04-2019, 06:36 AM
 
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A great proportion of minimum rate opponents lack self-esteem. They need whatever affirmation of their own worth that they can derive by being able to look down upon people experiencing lesser financial conditions. They cannot acknowledge even to themselves their fears of improving the financial conditions of others would consequentially reduce their own social status. That’s the essence of personal and political opposition to the FMW rate.
That is a bit of a leap. There are reasons to oppose a minimum wage that have nothing to do with proponents' self esteem. The most salient in my mind is that it has been shown that increases in the minimum wage can actually lead some employers to cut the number of jobs. Of course the counter argument is that those jobs don't pay enough to live on. But sometimes if a second wage earner can bring in a little it can make the difference for the household.
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Old 08-04-2019, 06:41 AM
 
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A FMW is useless. The country has too much "diversity" in the cost of living throughout it.

Even the fed gov't understands this which is why they have COL Adjustments for fed people working in different parts of the country. People in NY, San Fran, etc, get paid MORE then say people living in Topeka, Kansas.
Mathguy, I guess you forgot.
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Mathguy, maybe not, but that's up to the voters in Manhattan, KC or NY. NYC increased their city's minimum to $15/Hr.

The U.S. Congress determined that $7.25 should be the minimum nation-wide. States and local governments may further increase the minimums within their jurisdictions. Federal law is needed to prevent Alabama or Mississippi from undermining the economies of Kansas or NY.
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Old 08-04-2019, 07:15 AM
 
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That is a bit of a leap. There are reasons to oppose a minimum wage that have nothing to do with proponents' self esteem. The most salient in my mind is that it has been shown that increases in the minimum wage can actually lead some employers to cut the number of jobs. Of course the counter argument is that those jobs don't pay enough to live on. But sometimes if a second wage earner can bring in a little it can make the difference for the household.
CrowGirl, the federal minimum wage rate critically effects no less than the lowest 20th percentile and substantial effects the remainder of the lowest 40th percentile of USA's wage earners. Due to the concepts of wage differentials, it affects all USA wage rates.

Jobs for handicapped people that cannot financially justify the minimum-wage must depend upon government or private assistance. That's economically less detrimental than permitting market-determined minimum wage to undermine the floor for all USA wage rates. That, and reducing USA's incidences and extents of poverty are the federal minimum wage rate's purpose.
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Old 08-04-2019, 07:18 AM
 
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I haven't decided how I feel about the issue. I was trying to point out that there are legitimate reasons to question a minimum wage apart from the proponent's lack of self-esteem. People can disagree for good reasons, it doesn't mean that it's because they need someone to look down on.
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Old 08-04-2019, 07:23 AM
 
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Raise the MW and cut the hours worked equals the same money earned.
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Old 08-04-2019, 07:36 AM
 
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Raise the MW and cut the hours worked equals the same money earned.
think on the bright side, it will give them plenty of time off to look for another part time min wage job to supplement for their loss of hours.
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