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View Poll Results: Climate change caused by humans is a real phenomenon
True 101 56.42%
False 78 43.58%
Voters: 179. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-04-2019, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna. (birthplace)
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..the theory of CO2 is over 100 years old...for over 100 years people..scientists... have been saying the same thing..making the same predictions...and using the same wiggle...non committal...words...may....might....could
Yep! The first time I heard of the "too much CO2" theory was in an educational film shown to us as sixth-graders in my generally conservative (but forward-thinking) school district; the time was the spring of 1961.

The phenomenon is real, but it has been skewed and manipulated by those with a distinct political agenda, and motivated primarily by a desire for power.

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Old 08-04-2019, 08:30 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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In the 60 and 70s the hippies warned everyone that the government would become even more corrupt and greedy. Guess they were wrong about that too.
Nope, they were right. Because those hippies are now running half the government, on the left side of each house. And the corruption is immense.
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Old 08-04-2019, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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Yep! The first time I heard of the "too much CO2" theory was in an educational film shown to us as sixth-graders in my generally conservative (but forward-thinking) school district; the time was the spring of 1961.

The phenomenon is real, but it has been skewed and manipulated by those with a distinct political agenda, and motivated primarily by a desire for power.

Was it this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1ph_7C1Jq4

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Old 08-04-2019, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna. (birthplace)
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I don't recall that particular format, but the sponsor was, indeed, AT&T/Bell; perhaps the presentation had been altered by the time I saw it back in '61 (in the auditorium of Salem Township Elementary, Berwick (PA) School District, so long ago).
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Old 08-04-2019, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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..and yet, you just said this



...then follow the IPCC's lead

If the IPCC really believed that CO2 was this poison that was going to kill us all....

....they would have never set up a plan where developing countries get to increase their emissions until they are developed...and that's exactly what the UN/IPCC did

Obviously those 100's of scientists at the IPCC do not think the price we pay is going to be enormous...or even of any consequence at all
Scientists don't do policy, politicians do. So separate out policy from the problem. The important thing is to recognize there is a problem so that we can stop arguing whether CC is real and figure out the best way to solve it. Solutions will be trade offs as they always are. Nobody wants to pay for it, basically. So politicians figure out what is palatable for most people and push that. But the reality is we will all pay something.
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Old 08-05-2019, 06:29 AM
 
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Scientists don't do policy, politicians do.
...that is absolutely not true

The policies the UN/IPCC put into place were backed by the "100's of climate scientists" that participated in the IPCC reports....not a single one of them have ever come out against the IPCC policies..and every one of them were consulted as to it's contents..and every one of them wrote in mitigation in their chapters

The IPCC policies state that there are over 200 "developing" countries...and they get to increase their CO2 emissions until they are "developed"...

The only point of the UN/IPCC was to lower CO2 emissions...and the IPCC was formed in 1988

What were CO2 emission in 1988?..and what are they now? and where have the only increases in CO2 come from?....developing countries

No other country has lowered it's CO2 emissions more than the USA...the USA has lowered it's CO2 emissions back to where there were in 1990...2 years after the IPCC was formed

CO2 emissions in 1988 and now > https://3c1703fe8d.site.internapcdn....rbonemissi.jpg

Either the UN/IPCC and their climate scientists are saying CO2 is not dangerous..and all these 200+ developing countries can increase their emissions....

..or.....everyone in Bangladesh be damned....China and the developing world's economies are more important

..and both of those are a scam

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Old 08-05-2019, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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well of course not...if it was

China would be 10 feet under water and burning up > https://3c1703fe8d.site.internapcdn....rbonemissi.jpg
And we would be drowning in pollution from our own emissions over the last century as the largest polluter.
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Old 08-05-2019, 02:36 PM
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Location: MA/NH
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Our planet is doomed. And I am okay with Trump backing out of the Paris Climate Accord Agreement. The US has done plenty with curbing emissions, but until the whole world's human population is diminished greatly, humans are going to kill our planet. Maybe Mother Nature will take care of the problem by wiping us out with a couple of good pandemics. Or maybe an asteroid will hit our planet. But I am very frustrated that no whole leader has the balls to tell developing countries to stop having large families and overbreeding. Not only are they killing our planet with creating more humans than their countries can ever support, but their countries will never improve and stop being sh*tholes to live in, as long as they have too many people in their countries. And First World countries should not be guilted or forced into taking their excess human beings.

Even if America went entirely electric and stopped using petroleum and coal products, Earth will still be f*cked because of all the Third World people making so many babies. In fact, we should withhold all aid to those countries until they embrace birth control and planned parenthood methods.
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Old 08-05-2019, 02:57 PM
 
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Useless poll.

Why don't you ask how many people believe that the speed of light is 186,000 miles per second? No one on this board has the ability to measure the speed of light. Scientists have told us how they measured it, and what the result was and.....we believe them. Because they have the knowledge, training and equipment to make such measurements.

If you took a poll and the majority said no, that's not the correct speed of light, it would mean nothing. And if they say global warming is a hoax, it also means nothing. Because ya'll know nothing.
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Old 08-05-2019, 03:17 PM
 
Location: bold new city of the south
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We are having climate change, same as happened over the past millions of years.
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Idiots. In the 70ís it was Time magazine front page: The Big Freeze....and global cooling. Then it became global warming......then simply climate change. Next itíll be global stagnation. Anything to make a buck.
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And even if it is real, why is that necessarily bad? Because? Just because?


We can tell via fossil records that each time earth's temperature has risen, it had a direct correlation repeatedly, again and again, on expanding life. I mean not even linearly but exponentially. That's fact.


Why are climate wackos anti-life?
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Yep! The first time I heard of the "too much CO2" theory was in an educational film shown to us as sixth-graders in my generally conservative (but forward-thinking) school district; the time was the spring of 1961.

The phenomenon is real, but it has been skewed and manipulated by those with a distinct political agenda, and motivated primarily by a desire for power.
And suddenly when you least expect it, Al Gore shows up.

Heraclitus, a Greek philosopher, is quoted as saying "change is the only constant in life." This saying has also been translated to "the only constant is change." He was a theorist who created doctrines about the constant change and flux of life. He lived in Ephesus, near modern Kusadasi, Turkey, around 500 B.C.
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