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Old 08-04-2019, 06:28 PM
 
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Just like the whole human race would perish IF (IF) we are hit by a killer asteroid. Or...............we would all die if 1,000 Godzillas were released to destroy the planet!


Mammals did just fine in the past with CO2 levels 5X what they are now. It is sheer idiocy to presume that somehow CO2 and its interaction with IR energy is different now than it was in the past.


The AGW crowd is completely ignorant of the fossil record, past CO2 levels, and corresponding temps. That is why they have fallen for this hoax. Some fool was presuming that Greenland would "sink", while its average elevation is 5,00ft (nearly a mile) and its peak at 12,000. Of course, if Greenland sunk, nearly the entire continental US (with the exception of a few peaks) would be under water. What is the highest peak in the continental US? Mt. Whitney or something, which is around 14,500. For that matter, MOST of the world would be under water.


Keep in mind that there are fossilized tropical plants and animals above the arctic circle which date from nearly the same continental positions. So the world was once warm enough that it was tropical above the artic circle and life went on just fine.


It is simply amazing how gullible the AGW crowd is.
Brb, gonna run with this. Ill come let you know what I find.
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Old 08-04-2019, 06:29 PM
 
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IPCC 3rd assessment report direct quote... " "The climate system is a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore the long-term prediction of future exact climate states is not possible."
IOW, keep funding us anyway because we have no answers.
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Old 08-04-2019, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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IPCC 3rd assessment report direct quote... " "The climate system is a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore the long-term prediction of future exact climate states is not possible."
Operative word there is "exact". Nobody says the sea will rise by 13.2' by January 1 2065. They will say something like 60% of models show a sea level rise of at least 13' by 2065 (for instance).
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Old 08-04-2019, 06:55 PM
 
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Operative word there is "exact". Nobody says the sea will rise by 13.2' by January 1 2065. They will say something like 60% of models show a sea level rise of at least 13' by 2065 (for instance).
...no, the operative word is "states"...climate states...if you can't predict exact climate states...you have nothing

and what they try is seeing how many wiggle words they can use....may, might, could
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Old 08-04-2019, 07:15 PM
 
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...no, the operative word is "states"...climate states...if you can't predict exact climate states...you have nothing

and what they try is seeing how many wiggle words they can use....may, might, could
Read a paper published in a science journal sometime. Even the biggest discoveries are couched in cautious terms. When the Higg's Boson was confirmed in 2012, the paper said the "... the data are consistent with the signature of the Higg's Boson."

It is how the science world works. Overstatement is a career killer. If there are any overstatements about CC, it is coming from the lay press interpreting the language of the science community.

(Higg's is the premier discovery in Physics in the 21st Century, at least so far)
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Old 08-04-2019, 07:21 PM
 
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may, might, and could...are not the same as will...they are wiggle words that mean nothing
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Old 08-04-2019, 07:28 PM
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Location: MA/NH
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We are having climate change, same as happened over the past millions of years. Humans are having minimal impact.
Wrong. Cutting down our rain forests and turning them into farmlands and urban sprawl, that plus there being almost 8 billion human beings on our planet... does indeed have an effect on our global weather patterns. The rain forests are our planet's lungs. And all of our buildings, concrete sidewalks and paved parking lots and roads, interfere with proper drainage from rainfall. We've changed the character and course of our rivers and streams. The exhaust from all of our combustion engines (both cars and airplanes) and the heat generated from our air conditioners and other conversion systems are factors due to all the billions of them running day and night all over the planet.

Some climate change is natural, but humans through our sheer numbers and our ways of life, do have a significant impact on our planet's weather patterns.
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Old 08-04-2019, 07:40 PM
 
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may, might, and could...are not the same as will...they are wiggle words that mean nothing
That is a valid concern, that there is not enough certainty to it. I have the same concern, that it will turn out to be a big nothing-burger. But for me I see it as a roll of the dice and if we guess wrong the price we pay is enormous. So I think the safe bet is that it will happen. Besides, some day we are going to run out of oil anyway so why wait until the last minute to get off of it?
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Old 08-04-2019, 07:47 PM
 
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..the theory of CO2 is over 100 years old...for over 100 years people..scientists... have been saying the same thing..making the same predictions...and using the same wiggle...non committal...words...may....might....could
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Old 08-04-2019, 08:11 PM
 
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if we guess wrong the price we pay is enormous.
..and yet, you just said this

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I recommend the UN IPCC report. It was authored by 100's of scientists from all across the globe ]
...then follow the IPCC's lead

If the IPCC really believed that CO2 was this poison that was going to kill us all....

....they would have never set up a plan where developing countries get to increase their emissions until they are developed...and that's exactly what the UN/IPCC did

Obviously those 100's of scientists at the IPCC do not think the price we pay is going to be enormous...or even of any consequence at all
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