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Old 08-04-2019, 10:36 AM
 
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Thank you, Pedro, for putting this in perspective. I assume you don't want that to happen, so you do want society to have the ability to deal with things that weren't an issue back when the FF wrote the Constitution, right? Because the world has changed drastically since 1779 and there are things they couldn't have even imagined back then, like weapons of mass killings and the Internet.

We need to continually update our laws to keep pace with the changing times. And the 2nd Amendment is one of those things.
The Second Amendment isnít a ďlawĒ, itís a Constitutional restriction on the activities of the federal government. If you donít like it and want it to be different then the Constitution provides a way to accomplish that. So, what exactly is your real problem?
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Old 08-04-2019, 10:36 AM
 
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Again it gives localities the right to form local militias that is all that officially protects.

You are going to have to explain how you get to that from this:





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The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.

Just so it's clear that is the entirety as written in 1790 and adopted from the similarity worded 1776 version. There is nothing before it and nothing after it.
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Old 08-04-2019, 10:37 AM
 
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There, I said it.

In their defense, they had no idea what that amendment would result in some 200+ years later, no way to know the kind of advanced weaponry that would be invented and fall into hands they don't belong in, no way of knowing how Americans would misuse and abuse the amendment in ways they never intended.

But here we are.

It's time to consider amending the Constitution again.
Authoritarians like HeyJude514 would feel a whole lot better supporting the imposition of his ideology on the masses if the masses didn't have 300,000,000+ guns whose collective voice boom a resounding "F--k off!".
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Old 08-04-2019, 10:38 AM
 
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I have a better idea. If you donít like the Bill of Rights, leave the country and donít come back.
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Old 08-04-2019, 10:38 AM
 
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There, I said it.

In their defense, they had no idea what that amendment would result in some 200+ years later, no way to know the kind of advanced weaponry that would be invented and fall into hands they don't belong in, no way of knowing how Americans would misuse and abuse the amendment in ways they never intended.

But here we are.

It's time to consider amending the Constitution again.
Maybe, although it does start off, ďA well regulated militia...Ē gun nuts conveniently always leave that out.
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Old 08-04-2019, 10:40 AM
 
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In either case it being still somewhat ambiguous,

Just to add there is absolutely no ambiguity in the PA Constitution about the right to bear arms, it's about as short and precise as it could possibly be. How is this ambiguous?



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The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.

LOL, you have side job as contortionist?
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Old 08-04-2019, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Seattle
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In some respects the SCOTUS interpretation of the second amendment seems self-contradictory. The United States v. Miller ruling says the government can't ban weapons that can be reasonably used in a militia, whereas District of Columbia v. Heller says the ownership of a firearm is protected irrespective of service in a militia. But at least they still hold that the second amendment right is not unlimited, and that gun ownership can be regulated.

I wonder what the SCOTUS would rule on states requiring gun owners to serve in a militia? I.e. if you purchase a gun that can be used in a militia, then some number of weekends per year must be spent under orders in a militia. I'll bet gun owners would howl.
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Old 08-04-2019, 10:41 AM
 
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Maybe, although it does start off, ďA well regulated militia...Ē gun nuts conveniently always leave that out.
You missed "people" along with the understanding of the Bill of Rights.

The Bill of Rights does not give protection to agents of the government but to individuals.

If you can't understand this very basic fact, you'll never understand the first 10.
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Old 08-04-2019, 10:42 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Come and take it, and I'll have 10 more made tomorrow.
Ban metals.
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Old 08-04-2019, 10:43 AM
 
Location: California
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I have a better idea. If you donít like the Bill of Rights, leave the country and donít come back.
Isn't that what Trump said to congresswomen that disagreed with him? Just because you don't agree with people doesn't mean you can just demand they leave. I don't like having crazy white supremacists in my neighborhood. But it doesn't mean I can just demand my neighbor leaves even if he belongs to the Aryan Brotherhood.
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