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Old 08-05-2019, 02:22 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Thanks to pervasive propaganda and indoctrination, most Americans believe the government is their master.

But according to the republican form of government, all men have Creator endowed rights to life - and the right to defend that life with whatever they deem necessary. (And which the 2nd amendment restates).

HOWEVER, those who consent to be governed, waive / surrender endowed rights and accept mandatory civic duties that abrogate them. Ex: militia duty - the obligation to train, fight, and die on command - certainly voids any notion of a right to life and liberty. But such duties only apply to consenting citizens, not sovereign American people.

In other words, no servant government can tell the sovereign people what to do. But it certainly can rule ITS subject citizens and regulate the manner in which they behave.
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Old 08-05-2019, 02:24 AM
 
Location: SGV
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Iím happy I can walk down the street knowing that dozens of people who walk by me arenít carrying a gun. Thatís the society I want to be living in.
The same State that recently slaughtered children in Afghanistan and then had its goons raid media outlets (with at least one arrest) that broke the story? That State...known as Australia?

Yeah, you're living under the most bestest master evah! Stay in your lane mate and have a Fosters on me.

#Freedom_Is_2_Scary
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Old 08-05-2019, 02:26 AM
 
Location: SGV
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Thanks to pervasive propaganda and indoctrination, most Americans believe the government is their master.

But according to the republican form of government, all men have Creator endowed rights to life - and the right to defend that life with whatever they deem necessary. (And which the 2nd amendment restates).

HOWEVER, those who consent to be governed, waive / surrender endowed rights and accept mandatory civic duties that abrogate them. Ex: militia duty - the obligation to train, fight, and die on command - certainly voids any notion of a right to life and liberty. But such duties only apply to consenting citizens, not sovereign American people.

In other words, no servant government can tell the sovereign people what to do. But it certainly can rule ITS subject citizens and regulate the manner in which they behave.
In other words, I think I've found a way out of statism even though I have to accept the paradigm of statism first.

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Old 08-05-2019, 02:44 AM
 
Location: Metro Seattle Area - Born and Raised
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Then it's a fantasy world you live in. Do you think people felt all warm and fuzzy in that they were safe right before the Darwin shooting? Or the 5 killed in the 2018 Bedford Massacre? Oh wait that was a knife.

Just because you can't see doesn't mean it's not there. Refuse to see it in your case.
I love it when other countries attempt to compare their counties with the United States... Are we perfect, no, but the world would be a totally different place if the American military and American culture wasn't gun friendly. If Americans were passive like most other Western countries, the world would be speaking German, Russian or Japanese... For the Pacific Rim countries... Like Australia.

Btw, Australia isn't a peaceful country and against popular belief, for the size of your population, you're a pretty violent country... With a violent history, so don't be too quick to throw stones in your glass house. Btw, one of the reason why many Australians never heard a gunshot, like Razor 217, is that thousands of American Soldiers, along with a smaller force of Australian Soldiers, were killed, wounded or still missing in action when they fought and destroyed the Japanese invasion force in Papua New Guinea that was threatening Australia during World War 2.

That's almost as bad as Germany making a very critical statement on how we run our Immigration Detention Centers when they have some relatively modern history relating to how they ran their own Concentration Camps and their Death Camps.

As for the gun debate here in the United States, that will affect American... And only Americans, we do not need to change our Constitution. For the simple minded people who stated or think that our founding fathers never imagened our modern weapons, that's a pretty weak argument to make. If that's how you feel about the 2nd Amendment, than I can make same argument that our founding fathers never visualized radio, TV, movies and the Internet... Should we change the 1st Amendement while we're at it??

Liberals are very quick to forget that it's the 2nd Amendment that PROTECTS the 1st Amendment.

Also, as per the Geneva Convention, which governs the law of Land warfare, a militia is defined as the male population of a country that is A) of Military age, B) bears weapons and C) engages in combat. Since that's the case, by international law, they're classified as an "Unorganized Militia." For more clarity, here in the United States, the State's individual National Guard IS "basically" part of the Regular Reserves of the U.S. Armed Forces and receives some, if not most of their equipment, training and funds from the Active Duty/Regular Military Branches. Seriously, why do you like that on their dress uniforms AND combat uniforms it reads "U.S. Army" or "U.S. Air Force" not "N.Y. Army" or "N.J. Air Force??" Also, until they're federalized and acting under the authority of that State's governor, they're basically the "Organized Militia" since they have not been ordered, by the POTUS, and placed on Active Duty/Regular status.

For more clarity, both the Unorganized Militia AND the Organized Militia are militias... This is a historical/legal fact, not some emotional response, lacking any real critical thinking into the matter other than to make one "feel" better.

Funny, the Colt AR-15 rifle has been available in the American civilian market for private purchase since the mid 1960s, but you rarely heard of it being used criminals in mass shootings... I don't think it's the gun, I think it's all the youth, teenagers and young men, up to the age of 25, who sit around all day and all night drinking Mountain Drew sodas watching violent movies, violent video clips off the internet AND playing thousands of hours of violent video games where they're an Active Shooter... Are we now surprised that these individuals are now desensitize to violence?? Plus!! Are we surprised that these idiots are stupid enough to be sucked into some fake fantasy world that they made up in their twisted minds where they see themselves as the Hero in their own sick video game??

I'm truly sadden by the loss of life in El Paso, but banning guns isn't the answer cuz it's not going to ever work!! Seriously!! Do you honestly think criminals will give up all there guns AND are you silly enough to think the police will respond to your cries of help within seconds before you or your loved ones are murdered by some deranged criminal?

...Good luck with that one since you to live in a fantasy world.

How do you feel about restricting violent video games, violent Internet images and violent movies from teenagers??

Also, how do you feel about the State reopening mental institutions again to treat these sick people before they kill?

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Old 08-05-2019, 02:49 AM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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There, I said it.

In their defense, they had no idea what that amendment would result in some 200+ years later, no way to know the kind of advanced weaponry that would be invented and fall into hands they don't belong in, no way of knowing how Americans would misuse and abuse the amendment in ways they never intended.

But here we are.

It's time to consider amending the Constitution again.

And no idea how many ignorant, aggressive people would use it to promote a lifestyle that fits right in with the warlord era of the Dark Ages.
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Old 08-05-2019, 02:52 AM
 
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So, you're basically saying you have no idea why they wrote the 2nd.

It wasn't about hunting. They wrote the 2nd specifically for allowing citizens to resist government aggression.
If that`s what the 2nd is about it would say that. It doesn`t.
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Old 08-05-2019, 02:55 AM
 
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I love it when other countries attempt to compare their counties with the United States... Are we perfect, no, but the world would be a totally different place if the American military and American culture wasn't gun friendly. If Americans were passive like most Western countries, the world would be speaking German, Russian or Japanese... For the Pacific Rim countries... Like Australia.

Btw, Australia isn't a peaceful country and against popular belief, for the size of your population, you're a pretty violent country... With a violent history, so don't be too quick to throw stones in your glass house. Btw, one of the reason why many Australians never heard a gunshot is that thousands of American Soldiers, along with a smaller force of Australian Soldiers, were killed, wounded or still missing in action When they fought and destroyed the Japanese invasion force in Papua New Guinea that was threatening Australia during World War 2.

As for the gun debate in the United States, that will affect American... And only Americans, we do not need to change our Constitution. For the simple minded people who stayed that our founding fathers never imagened our modern weapons, that's a pretty weak argument to make. If that's how you feel about the 2nd Amendment, than I can make same argument that our founding fathers never visualized radio, TV, movies and the Internet... Should we change the 1st Amendement while we're at it??

And again absolutely no relevance to 2019 and the ordinary citizen, which is precisely what this is about.
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Old 08-05-2019, 03:02 AM
 
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Then it's a fantasy world you live in. Do you think people felt all warm and fuzzy in that they were safe right before the Darwin shooting? Or the 5 killed in the 2018 Bedford Massacre? Oh wait that was a knife.

Just because you can't see doesn't mean it's not there. Refuse to see it in your case.
No guarantees in life, but Iíll rather take my chances here where your odds of winning the lottery are better than being gunned down. The amount of people that have been gunned down in your country this weekend...do you know how many years need to go by for a similar number in Australia? Itís embarassing. And Iím talking per capita before you go on about population.
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Old 08-05-2019, 03:19 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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There, I said it.

In their defense, they had no idea what that amendment would result in some 200+ years later, no way to know the kind of advanced weaponry that would be invented and fall into hands they don't belong in, no way of knowing how Americans would misuse and abuse the amendment in ways they never intended.

But here we are.

It's time to consider amending the Constitution again.
It wasn't a mistake in the primitive era in which it was written. It IS a monumental mistake to keep it in place in 2019, when it is at least a hundred years beyond the point of changing from an asset to a monstrous public safety liability.
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Old 08-05-2019, 03:55 AM
 
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No, it was the people that glorified guns too much. People seem to respect firearms more than human lives.
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