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Old 08-05-2019, 06:01 AM
 
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Yes, giving up your Natural Rights is rolling over. These guns are no more dangerous than any other, and when the crime doesn't stop, guess what? They will try to take all the others. This is EMOTIONAL crap.
Shhh, it will make them feel better to 'take action' to control things.
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Old 08-05-2019, 06:05 AM
 
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So, since there were no phones or computers when we were given the right against searches and seizures without warrant, the government can search your electronic files and listen to your phone calls without a warrant?
How about you have to get a PEMIT, paid for by you, attend a training class paid for by you, get physch test, paid for by you and have to renew it every five years, paid for by you in order to use the Internet via a computer OR your smart phone, etc.

EVERY law that has been passed regarding the 2nd amendment should be APPLIED tot the 1st AMENDMENT!
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Old 08-05-2019, 06:08 AM
 
Location: USA
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Shhh, it will make them feel better to 'take action' to control things.
If they want to take action, they'd repeal all these state laws that disallow LAW ABIDING citizens from carrying a firearm to defend themselves which is a clear violation of the Second Amendment. How can states and cities illegally pass these laws, and then they get upheld by corrupt courts?
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Old 08-05-2019, 06:09 AM
 
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2A says right to bear 'arms', not guns. Arms is any weapon of war. Should everyone be allowed to buy a cannon or nuclear bomb? We already regulate far beyond the definition of 2A since fully automatic weapons, cannons, etc are banned from non military personnel.
"allowed to buy a cannon" Private citizens OWNED cannons AND WARSHIPS at the time of the writing and singing of the Constitution and were NOT banned form ownership.. What have you got to say NOW?
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Old 08-05-2019, 06:09 AM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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What is a "PEMIT"??
What is a "physch test"?

Proofreading and/or editing is a wonderful thing!


For those wondering about "the militia", may I respectfully recommend reading Title 10, USC (United States Code).
The types of the militia, and who are members of each type, is fully explained therein.
Educate yourselves.
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Old 08-05-2019, 06:13 AM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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Back then armed citizens overthrowing a tyrannical govt made sense. Now the govt has nukes. Even a weak govt like Assad in Syria is impossible to overthrow w/o a military coupe. FF's also didn't want federal govt having a full time army. They were fearful of strong, well armed federal govt that could become tyrannical.
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Old 08-05-2019, 06:14 AM
 
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Maybe, although it does start off, “A well regulated militia...” gun nuts conveniently always leave that out.
"Maybe, although it does start off, “A well regulated militia...” gun nuts conveniently always leave that out"

We do NOT leave it out because we KNOW what it meant back then.

Is is YOU ANTI gun nuts who always try to use it to suit your own fear of guns.

And WE are called the UN-educated!
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Old 08-05-2019, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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yep more of the same. blame the gun not the person. As I have said a 100 times on this board, we did not have these issues 30+ years ago. they were extremely rare. The issue is a mental health issue with kids who do not know how to cope because their parents never taught them.

There I said it!!





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There, I said it.

In their defense, they had no idea what that amendment would result in some 200+ years later, no way to know the kind of advanced weaponry that would be invented and fall into hands they don't belong in, no way of knowing how Americans would misuse and abuse the amendment in ways they never intended.

But here we are.

It's time to consider amending the Constitution again.
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Old 08-05-2019, 06:17 AM
 
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In some respects the SCOTUS interpretation of the second amendment seems self-contradictory. The United States v. Miller ruling says the government can't ban weapons that can be reasonably used in a militia, whereas District of Columbia v. Heller says the ownership of a firearm is protected irrespective of service in a militia. But at least they still hold that the second amendment right is not unlimited, and that gun ownership can be regulated.

I wonder what the SCOTUS would rule on states requiring gun owners to serve in a militia? I.e. if you purchase a gun that can be used in a militia, then some number of weekends per year must be spent under orders in a militia. I'll bet gun owners would howl.
"But at least they still hold that the second amendment right is not unlimited, and that gun ownership can be regulated." NOT by the words of the 2nd amendment itself "Shall NOT be INFRINGED"


What does that mean to you?
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Old 08-05-2019, 06:19 AM
 
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So, you're basically saying you have no idea why they wrote the 2nd.

It wasn't about hunting. They wrote the 2nd specifically for allowing citizens to resist government aggression.
Yes, but do you really think any but perhaps a very tiny percentage of people in the 18th century could envision a time when a single person would shoot dozens of people in a mall or school? I don't think so. It also took 20 seconds for someone to load or reload a 18th century musket, so a mass shooting by one person would be highly unlikely unless they were shooting at very young children with no other adult present.

'(And, no, I am not in favor of abolishing gun ownership altogether!)

https://www.reference.com/sports-act...8b9c2f3e79ce7a

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