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Old 08-04-2019, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Austin TX
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Originally Posted by Brave New World View Post
Sounds like they were talking about a militia, indeed during Anglo Saxon times I am sure individuals would keep their bow and arrow at home, but it doesn't mean every one should have the right to a bow and arrow today.
In the parlance of that day, a well-regulated militia = sober men of good character who would answer the call to country if required.
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Old 08-04-2019, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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"A well regulated" This has been "interpreted to DEATH,"well regulate" back then meant IN GOOD WORKING ORDER.

If you are going to discuss an issue, do at least SOME research BEFORE making a fool of yourself by your lack of knowledge on the subject.
The word militia is even latin for Soldier.

Militia (United States) - Wikipedia

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Old 08-04-2019, 09:00 AM
 
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So, you're basically saying you have no idea why they wrote the 2nd.

It wasn't about hunting. They wrote the 2nd specifically for allowing citizens to resist government aggression.
The 2nd says no such thing. Who is it that tells people this nutty stuff?
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Old 08-04-2019, 09:02 AM
 
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Exactly. Please explain to me, someone, how every mentally unbalanced individual having the "right" to own weapons of mass destruction fits the definition of "a well regulated Militia"?

Again, the FF had no way of seeing how this amendment would be misused. It's time we made a correction to deal with the reality today.
You exaggerate a LOT. "how every mentally unbalanced individual having the "right" to own weapons" NO ONE say they SHOULD.

"of mass destruction" Do you have ANY IDEA what "weapons of MASS destruction are" ?

"Dictionary

weap·on of mass de·struc·tion

noun
plural noun: weapons of mass destruction

  1. a chemical, biological or radioactive weapon capable of causing widespread death and destruction.
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Old 08-04-2019, 09:03 AM
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No they didn't.

This is not a discussion.
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Old 08-04-2019, 09:04 AM
 
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There, I said it.

In their defense, they had no idea what that amendment would result in some 200+ years later, no way to know the kind of advanced weaponry that would be invented and fall into hands they don't belong in, no way of knowing how Americans would misuse and abuse the amendment in ways they never intended.

But here we are.

It's time to consider amending the Constitution again.
The 2nd Amendment was envisioned to protect America from internal and external threats in order to preserve the Republic. The founding fathers never foreseen America becoming a dominant global power and hegemon.
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Old 08-04-2019, 09:07 AM
 
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No they didn't.

This is not a discussion.
So do you think this is the America the founding fathers envisioned? With mass shootings taking place on a regular basis? Do you think this was their intent with that amendment?
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Old 08-04-2019, 09:07 AM
 
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The 2nd says no such thing. Who is it that tells people this nutty stuff?
Right-wingers in their social media bubble echoing these talking points to each other.
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Old 08-04-2019, 09:08 AM
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The "right of the people" means EVERY individual in both the 1st and 4th Ammendments. It was ruled upon by the Supreme Court as recently as 2002 (IIRC), that it is meant the same way for the 2nd Ammendment.
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Old 08-04-2019, 09:08 AM
 
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There, I said it.

In their defense, they had no idea what that amendment would result in some 200+ years later, no way to know the kind of advanced weaponry that would be invented and fall into hands they don't belong in, no way of knowing how Americans would misuse and abuse the amendment in ways they never intended.

But here we are.

It's time to consider amending the Constitution again.
No they didn't. But the Constitution has an amendment process written right in it, so get on with it.
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