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Old 08-04-2019, 09:18 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Quick Enough View Post
" but we need to start addressing these weapons of mass murder..." such as?


"weapons which never existed during the times of the founding fathers." If you are referring ti semi-autos, they WERE around BEFORE the 2nd amendment was written.
Since automobiles weren't around or envisioned by the founders but result in thousands dying each year, I wonder why people calling for the banning of guns don't call for the banning of cars.

I guess they have accepted the deaths of all those people as collateral damage.
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Old 08-04-2019, 09:19 AM
 
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Their wording says "a well regulated MILITIA." Do you consider all these shooters to be a part of a militia?



That was then. The world has vastly changed since they wrote the amendment. There were no weapons of mass destruction that were easily obtained by anyone who wants them, for the sole purpose of slaughtering as many people as possible in a short span of time.

Or is this the America you think the founding fathers imagined?
"There were no weapons of mass destruction that were easily obtained by anyone who wants them,"
You are GROSSLY mistaken.


The semi-auto WAS frond back then. PRIVATE citizens OWN CANNONS AND WARSHIPS.
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Old 08-04-2019, 09:20 AM
 
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Not a gun-owner, but we are in need of changing some of many laws on both the state- and federal-levels. Now how we make it so that those laws are not too vague or too specific is a valid concern.
Have drug laws stopped illegal drugs from being in the hands of criminals?

If not, how would more gun laws be any different?
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Old 08-04-2019, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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SCOTUS says different.
Is that the same SCOTUS that is full of political appointments and politicians cronies.

The same SCOTUS that has backtracked numerous times, indeed the 2nd Amendment is an Amendment it's self.

The US Constitution that allowed slavery then outlawed it, allowed the Jim Crow Laws and racial segregation, that allowed alcohol to be banned and ihas been subject to numerous change and is supposedly a living document, and subject to constant change and flexibility in order to reflect changes in society and times.

You would think the US Constitution was the ten commandements the way some Americans bandy it about.

In reality it's just a pieve of paper written over 200 years ago and which has little bearing in terms of modern day gun massaces.

Furthermore no one is suggesting banning guns, just better regulation of certain guns that are reguarly used in massacres.
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Old 08-04-2019, 09:23 AM
 
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The word militia is even latin for Soldier.

Militia (United States) - Wikipedia

We NEVER spoke LATIN in America, especially Latin from the 16th century!

English definoition

"mi·li·tia

/məˈliSHə/
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noun
noun: militia; plural noun: militiasa military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.
  1. "creating a militia was no answer to the army's manpower problem"
    • a military force that engages in rebel or terrorist activities in opposition to a regular army.
    • all able-bodied civilians eligible by law for military service.




Origin

late 16th century: from Latin, literally ‘military service’, from miles, milit- ‘soldier’.


Translate militia to

Use over time for: militia
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Old 08-04-2019, 09:25 AM
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There, I said it.

In their defense, they had no idea what that amendment would result in some 200+ years later, no way to know the kind of advanced weaponry that would be invented and fall into hands they don't belong in, no way of knowing how Americans would misuse and abuse the amendment in ways they never intended.

But here we are.

It's time to consider amending the Constitution again.
Freedom of speech next on your hit list?
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Old 08-04-2019, 09:25 AM
 
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"We aren't dealing with flintlocks any more," The semi-auto had been around BEFORE the Bill of Rights was written. Why didn't they ban them then?
How many people were gunned down in mass shootings by a Puckle gun? How many ordinary citizens had access to one?

Do you think the founding fathers envisioned everyone owning such a weapon and routinely aiming it at their fellow citizens and committing mass slaughter with them?

And they shot nine rounds a minute. By comparison, an AK47 can shoot up to 600 rounds per minute.

But they're the same thing, right?
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Old 08-04-2019, 09:26 AM
 
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why does the right always support massive defense spending to strengthen the military while demanding guns to overthrow the government?...i put my money on the NRA/gun manufacturing alliance that funds massive PR/profession bullshi**
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Old 08-04-2019, 09:27 AM
 
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The same SCOTUS that has backtracked numerous times,

It's very rare for SCOTUS to reverse itself.




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and is supposedly a living document.

That is the view of more liberal Justices, it's certainly not the view of the entire court.
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Old 08-04-2019, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The Constitution can and should be amended.

We did it with Prohibition.

Not a reason in the world we can't do it now, other than the NRA owning the president and GOP. That can change in the future, and probably will. Enough is enough.
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