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Old 08-05-2019, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Originally Posted by KathrynAragon View Post
I hate to admit it but I see a big faultline through the whole "see something, say something" mantra. And it's blue.
See something, say something is a valuable idea, provided itís not enforced as in North Korea. We all have a gut instinct that something isnít right. Iíll agree that trusting the police is a bit spotty, but theyíre what we got, and if you see something thatís really off, you have to tell someone.

 
Old 08-05-2019, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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So I don't have rights and the one shooting at me that has a KNOWN mental issue and shouldn't own guns does. That's what I get out of the tripe your saying.

No, I am saying that in order to remove someone's rights, the government has to go through due process. That is the 5th and 14th amendment.
 
Old 08-05-2019, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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No, I am saying that in order to remove someone's rights, the government has to go through due process. That is the 5th and 14th amendment.
I repeat, so I don't have rights but this certified nut does? You skated around the question.
 
Old 08-05-2019, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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I repeat, so I don't have rights but this certified nut does? You skated around the question.

I have answered your question. But let's take it a bit further. You say certified, certified in court? Then that is due process.


If, on the other hand, "he" has not been taken to court, then he still deserves due process before his rights can be taken away.



FURTHER, you have the same rights as he does, the same right to due process.
 
Old 08-05-2019, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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See something, say something is a valuable idea, provided itís not enforced as in North Korea. We all have a gut instinct that something isnít right. Iíll agree that trusting the police is a bit spotty, but theyíre what we got, and if you see something thatís really off, you have to tell someone.
I agree but good luck with that.
 
Old 08-05-2019, 08:40 PM
 
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That is exactly what I want to see in CCW training. The reason I donít carry is precisely because without a background in combat, I donít trust myself to be calm, smart, and skilled enough to use a firearm in a way which doesnít unnecessarily raise the stakes.
That's not hard to accomplish with the right mindset. Just don't have a Lone Ranger or Dirty Harry mindset.
 
Old 08-05-2019, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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That's not hard to accomplish with the right mindset. Just don't have a Lone Ranger or Dirty Harry mindset.
The skills are another matter, though. Provided I don’t feel like Rambo, any encounter will have an adrenaline dump and could involve shooting from positions you don’t get in any traditional range shooting sesh. Unless I can be the guy who is able to make a mag dump into a bad guy in that environment, after being kicked to the ground or stabbed, I don’t think I have truly earned a CCW license.
 
Old 08-05-2019, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Originally Posted by KathrynAragon View Post
I agree but good luck with that.
Explain that please? I also have a bit of suspicion towards that, but I think itís a net benefit to have some situational awareness and be able to report to LEOs, even if Iím not 100% trusting of them. Theyíre still better equipped than I am to deal.
 
Old 08-05-2019, 08:47 PM
 
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The skills are another matter, though. Provided I don’t feel like Rambo, any encounter will have an adrenaline dump and could involve shooting from positions you don’t get in any traditional range shooting sesh. Unless I can be the guy who is able to make a mag dump into a bad guy in tha environment, after being kicked to the ground or stabbed, I don’t think I have truly earned a CCW license.
So what do you plan to do when you get kicked to the ground or stabbed?

If you have a gun, you can always not shoot.

Being armed, immediately running for cover can becomes a true option to gain a defensive advantage, whereas unarmed I'd just be cornering myself for slaughter.
 
Old 08-05-2019, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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If I’m not the guy with the gun, I’m not necessarily someone who needs to get terminated. If I pull some iron, I am that guy, so I need to be able to wield it with a high degree of proficiency.
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