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I'll research exactly how many people were CCW out of the 3000 who were there if you give me more verifiable numbers on the ratio of wusy heads who've moved to Texas in the past several years.
No, it wasn't me who you responded to and unless you give me a more reliable, non partisan source besides Conservapedia, I'm dismissing your post as propaganda perpetrated by the right.
Did a CCW take out the El Paso shooter among 3000 people? No
Did a CCW take out or at least return fire in Dayton? No
Did a CCW take out the shooter or return fire On July 28th in Chippewa Falls Wisconsin? No
Did a CCW take out the shooter or return fire on July 28th in Gilroy California? No
Did a CCW take out or return fire on May 31, in Virginia Beach, Va.? No
I could take this list way far back and bury you with mass shootings in public places where nobody tried to take out the attacker or return fire.
How come nobody among 3000 people in a retail environment IN TEXAS had a gun to shoot back..
I'll bet you a dollar to a donut that there were lots of guns there but nobody used them.
CCW doesn't work very well unless it's a one on one confrontation. If you're stalking the shooter with your CCW, you're more likely to get shot by the first officer who's on the scene and sees you with your weapon drawn.
How many of the places you listed above are gun free zones? Besides the Mall/WalMart and the Gilroy shooting?
Again, you don't have to do anything except not initiate force.
Same as before. Same as now. Same as always.
As I've said previously, some of you folks may want to think about getting some principles simply for the sake of brevity so you don't have to personally micro-manage every possible scenario in life.
Lot's of people seem to feel that concealed carry would solve these mass shootings with the idea that "The only defense against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun".
Can someone explain to me how a Walmart, in Texas no less, with three thousand people there and no one used their weapon against the shooter? All those concealed carry folks from gun happy Texas, and nobody took their weapon out and tried to take out the attacker.
Can anyone here name one mass shooting in the last 2.5 years that was stopped by a citizen using his CCW weapon?
No you can't...……..So much for the good guy with a gun theory, eh?
I have a number of long time friends who were born and raised throughout various cities in Texas, one being in El Paso. I can find out quite easily if that mall was a gun free zone. I'll give him a call in the next day or to and let you know. My bet is it is a "gun free" zone. And I'm about 100% sure of that, but will confirm soon and let you know.
Promote the licensing of weapons like we do cars/trucks with levels of licensing standards.
My family are gun owners. I support licenses for all gun owners similar to having to obtain education and a license to drive a vehicle.
There should be levels of licensing depending on the type of weapons one intends to purchase. Some weapons should definitely be more difficult to obtain than others, especially the types that are typically used in mass shooting events.
It's time for all good patriots to tell the NRA to go straight to hell. I mean that seriously.
It's time to pass a universal background check requirement. No loopholes, no gun show exceptions.
It's time to pass an assault weapons ban. No semi-automatic weapons.
I also believe in mandatory gun registration. If you have to register your car, there's no reason people can't register their guns.
Do you have any evidence that the shooters in these recent cases did NOT pass background checks?
I'll wait.
Or are you simply using the deaths of Americans to promote your agenda? Here's a clue-criminals do not obey laws. That is why they are called criminals.
Lot's of people seem to feel that concealed carry would solve these mass shootings with the idea that "The only defense against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun".
I wish the NRA would stop saying that.
Of all the people I know who carry concealed, and those I talk to in gun forums, not a one of them plans to play Lone Ranger. Not one. We all carry for the specific protection of those we are personally responsible for. In a Walmart situation like that, we would all be concerned with getting our loved ones out safely--the gun is for a defended retreat, if necessary.
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Can someone explain to me how a Walmart, in Texas no less, with three thousand people there and no one used their weapon against the shooter? All those concealed carry folks from gun happy Texas, and nobody took their weapon out and tried to take out the attacker.
Here in Texas, only 2% of people are licensed to carry a gun, and by surveys only half of them actually carry one. So that already cuts down the potential number of persons with guns at the Walmart to 30.
But wait. Most of those licensed to carry are white men. Most of those shoppers were Latinas and children. So the number carrying would be closer to maybe five.
And at least one of those men who was carrying (a black soldier, actually) was fully concerned with evacuating children rather than playing Lone Ranger.
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Can anyone here name one mass shooting in the last 2.5 years that was stopped by a citizen using his CCW weapon?
Lot's of people seem to feel that concealed carry would solve these mass shootings with the idea that "The only defense against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun".
Can someone explain to me how a Walmart, in Texas no less, with three thousand people there and no one used their weapon against the shooter? All those concealed carry folks from gun happy Texas, and nobody took their weapon out and tried to take out the attacker.
Can anyone here name one mass shooting in the last 2.5 years that was stopped by a citizen using his CCW weapon?
No you can't...……..So much for the good guy with a gun theory, eh?
OK for starters, you and I have no idea how many - IF ANY - customers in Wal Mart were actually carrying a gun. For instance, I have a License to Carry, but I don't always carry a weapon with me because frankly, it's heavy and it weighs down my purse. Maybe I should carry it more often, maybe not, who knows...But if I'm going to multiple places, some don't allow weapons at all, so there's that. So I'd have to leave it in the vehicle. And as others have said, if you're going to the mall and then to WalMart in El Paso, it's illegal to carry a weapon into the mall.
Secondly, say someone DID have a weapon with them - You and I have no idea whether or not they were in a position where it would do any good to draw that weapon or shoot that weapon, and it would be irresponsible to do so if it was unnecessary or detrimental to the situation.
Just so ya know - Texas actually ranks pretty middle of the pack when it comes to licenses to carry per capita. It is FAR outranked by several states, including Alabama, Indiana, South Dakota, Florida, Pennsylvania, Colorado, Utah, Washington state, Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky, and Iowa. Per capita, it's on about the same level as Oregon. https://www.gunstocarry.com/concealed-carry-statistics/
But to dig even deeper, let's look at licenses to carry ranked by county in Texas. Guess what - El Paso doesn't even rank in the top forty. And overall, 3.6 percent of Texans are licensed gun owners. https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/lo...IP-6777817.php
And finally - just a little story for you from my own personal life. One time, when I was a lot younger, probably in my 30s, I was traveling on business and was on a country backroad with no other vehicles in sight other than a PU truck ahead of me, which was going slower and slower. Finally this truck stopped right in front of me, and out jumped two guys (there was a third in the cab). They looked, shall I say, unsavory. I was a young woman alone at dusk, and these guys were headed straight for me, with leering faces - clearly up to no good. I had my hand gun with me. All I did was raise it up - I didn't even point it at them, just let them see it. IMMEDIATELY they turned tail and ran back to the truck and it took off like a bat out of hell with them inside it.
I am pretty sure if I hadn't had that gun with me, the ending would not have been pretty that night.
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