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Old 08-06-2019, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Indeed. Whats up with that? My AR 15 is functionally no different than any other semi auto minus the ergonomics. The same tech that cn be applied to an AR can be applied with any semi auto and any other type of firearm as well.


Classifying the AR and other service type rifles as "assault weapons" is erroneous and inflating it's capabilities over all other types of firearms is misinformed at best. Unfortunately service type rifles especially the AR have been the choice of wackos for shooting up places.


Thus it's being put out there that we citizens cannot be trusted with rifles of this type. Some even believe we should be limited to flintlock muskets.
Damn, are they wanting to ban my semi auto ruger 10/22 with the 25rd magazine that shoots bullets as fast as you can pull the trigger?

Crap, my 13 and 16 year old granddaughters will be devastated.

 
Old 08-06-2019, 02:16 PM
 
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Thus it's being put out there that we citizens cannot be trusted with rifles of this type. Some even believe we should be limited to flintlock muskets.
A federal law could be passed to limit civilian gun ownership to revolvers and bolt-action rifles. That would allow people to have a pistol for self-protection and a rifle for hunting. It would be in full compliance with the 2nd amendment.
 
Old 08-06-2019, 02:24 PM
 
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You can still be a responsible gun owner while supporting legislation that will restrict weapons of mass murder to the mentally ill and evil doers in this country.
If only they had a telltale MI (mentally ill) or ED (evil doer) tattooed on their foreheads so we all know ahead of time who they are.
 
Old 08-06-2019, 02:24 PM
 
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Then why are you CCW if it's not an effective tactic?

I just got off the horn with one of my El Paso associates. If the WalMart in question has a 30-06 or 30-07 sign posted, a CCW or open carry is not permitted. In addition to the signage, the person who is in possession of a weapon must have a valid permit to carry.

So at that specific WalMart where the shooting took place, no one legally could carry a firearm onto the premises if 1) 30-06, 30-07 signage is posted and/or 2) they do not lave a valid permit to carry.
To be more specific:

Exhibiting the Section 30-06 sign prohibits concealed carry (and implies prohibition of open carry, but that's not explicit in the law).

Exhibiting the Section 30-07 sign prohibits open carry but by law explicitly permits concealed carry.

An establishment that wanted to be absolutely clear in a total prohibition exhibits both signs.

There are also some details as to where and how the signs must be posted in order to be valid.

And of course, the license to carry is necessary.

Except for rifles. Open carrying a loaded AR-15 is legal in Texas, although it may be prohibited by the municipality.

It would have been valuable if one of your El Paso associates actually check the front door of that Walmart to see if they have a sign on their doors (which is where it must be to be valid). I have an application that identifies places in Texas where the signs have been seen, and there is no report of one at that Walmart. Maybe it's there and hasn't been reported, however.
 
Old 08-06-2019, 02:26 PM
 
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Promote more states to allow legal carry for the law abiding. Encourage the law abiding to get their carry permits and carry a firearm. Get rid of gun free zones like the CA garlic festival and retail stores that ban guns. These shooting are RARE and overall very few people die each year from them. More people die by far from inner city black on black violence, but it seems black lives don't matter after all, because nobody tries to stop that.
A million times, this ^!
 
Old 08-06-2019, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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A federal law could be passed to limit civilian gun ownership to revolvers and bolt-action rifles. That would allow people to have a pistol for self-protection and a rifle for hunting. It would be in full compliance with the 2nd amendment.
Sorry ... No!
It would appear that schools no longer teach Constitutional Law?


Every time there is a "mass shooting", it gives the gun grabbers another opportunity to write new Unconstitutional Laws and another chance to take away the law abiding citizen's right to Self protection!

These laws will only apply to people who are law abiding, who have never hurt or killed anyone!
Criminals don't follow laws!

When a mass shooting or a crime of any kind is committed ... That crime should be prosecuted in the courts!

Congress has no right to create laws to punish the law abiding citizen for the actions of another!

A crime was committed by a person so prosecute the crime and the person who committed it!

Punishing the law abiding will not prevent future crimes!

We have surrendered our 'Constitutional Rights' to the whims of whomever holds the reigns of power at the moment and to Judges who in many cases are nothing more than .. Black Robed Tyrants!
(As Mark Levin explains in his book, "Men In Black." )

The vast majority of people who believe that the government has the right to regulate gun ownership by passing new laws ... have a poor understanding of our Constitution!

Most of the arguments about the Second Amendment ... made by both sides, revolve around a single assumption - that the Second Amendment grants a citizen the right to bear arms.

What both sides fail to understand is that the Second Amendment grants no such right, in fact, the Constitution grants no rights at all!

What the Constitution does do is identify what powers the people grant to the government.

This is the whole purpose of the Constitution - to tell the government what it can and cannot do, our Constitution is a limit on government.

That is why Marxists, Socialist, Progressive Democrats, et al. have such a disdain for our Constitution .. it is a limitation on Government not a limitation on We The People.

Read the Second Amendment closely.
Nowhere does it state that the people have a right to bear arms but rather that the government cannot infringe on that right.

The framers of our Constitution believed that our right to bear arms is a natural right , not a right to be given to us by government.


Amendment II

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A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
That’s it, that is the whole 2nd Amendment.
Where does it say that the government gives us any right?
It doesn’t, it only says that the government cannot infringe on this right.

And when the often used argument arises that we will all be safer if we pass (another) gun law or how the 2nd only applied to the militia, I am reminded on how our nations leading members at the time would respond to that.

(Pay particular attention to what Noah Webster had to say)

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"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.”

Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776
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"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery".

Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787
Put another way: I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude..

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“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops.”

Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787
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“The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.”

Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788
There are a ton more references that can be found but I'll close with the following ...


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Today, when a concerted effort is made to obliterate this point, it cannot be repeated too often that the Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals- that it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government- that it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen’s protection against the government.

Ayn Rand
 
Old 08-06-2019, 02:30 PM
 
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I'm at a loss here.
I thought of this, while watching the news: Demand that while the right to own guns for individual self-defense and hunting be preserved, there should be stringent requirements for ownership, and any military-grade weaponry should be banned.
 
Old 08-06-2019, 02:33 PM
 
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I'm at a loss here.
What can responsible gun owners do with wars between nations?
 
Old 08-06-2019, 02:33 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Open carry in Texas explicitly means the gun is loaded and ready to use. I've never heard of "open carry" anywhere being defined as unloaded and openly displayed.

Right now in Texas a person with a handgun carry license can wear the gun loaded and either concealed or unconcealed. The license makes no distinction.

In all places I've seen a gun required to be unloaded it also has to be cased because the point of requiring it to be unloaded in the first place is to render it not quickly usable.

Walmart's policy is to go along with state law, which means Walmarts in Texas permit either open or concealed carry by people with the license. In fact, the "Walmart Walk" is kind of a rite of passage for new carry license holders. I don't know whether or not the Walmart attached to a Simon center would necessarily have to follow their rules or not if the Walmart has its own entrances.
CA had a stupid unloaded open carry law until a few years ago. Which I did when I'd come back from the mountains. Now I have to lock it in a case.
 
Old 08-06-2019, 02:41 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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A federal law could be passed to limit civilian gun ownership to revolvers and bolt-action rifles. That would allow people to have a pistol for self-protection and a rifle for hunting. It would be in full compliance with the 2nd amendment.
And fast tracked to SCOTUS where it would immediately be reversed. They already know that. That's why they haven't tried to.
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