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Old 08-07-2019, 10:50 AM
 
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Clean up the NRA. Restart the gun safety programs; start teaching gun safety in the poor areas as well. and get away from the NRA being Whites only.

Get rid of the IRON PIPELINE.

Call out against those pumping racial division.

Educate your self as to actually going on. This means reading from VERIFIED sources. A left leaning but highly factual news website; https://theintercept.com/2019/08/05/...rump-fox-news/

You really need to find out what the NRA DOES do.

"You might want to look up the Eagle Eddy program.

"and get away from the NRA being Whites only." sound very RACIST to me AND very ignorant about NRA members."

YOU first!

"The NRA doesn’t keep track. They’re all gun owners to the NRA, regardless of race.
Here recently, the NRA has been trying to market towards minorities, which I think is a great thing. Besides the fact that it means more members, it breaks up the narrative that gun owners are all a bunch of old white guys.
A famous NRA member and popular Youtuber is Colion Noir.



https://www.quora.com/What-percentag...e-NRA-is-black

"I’m an African-American NRA Member…Here’s What I Want You to Know About Me"\\
https://www.redstate.com/kiradavis/2...eres-want-know

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Old 08-07-2019, 10:54 AM
 
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Motive. El Paso shooter trumpeted Trump's tantrums.
He also trumpeted the mantras of OWSers (Occupy Wall Street), environmental activists, population limit activists, and praised immigrants for helping to build the US. Quite the conundrum.
 
Old 08-07-2019, 10:55 AM
 
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Really? I don't want anyone who beats a spouse to have access to a gun. Ever. I'm a gun owner, and have taught firearm safety. That type of person is exactly what a Red Flag law should include.
This is where family must step in. When we lived in a development in Florida, a 68 year old neighbor shot her 72 year old invalid husband in his wheelchair. She then proceeded to shoot up her entire house. People were shocked.

However, there were signs. Their children afterwards said it. She was super paranoid about somebody breaking into her house. Talked all the time about needing to protect herself. Slept with a loaded gun under her pillow. This was in no way a high crime area. Many in the development never locked their doors.

Imagine the grief their children experienced, especially knowing their Dad's death could have prevented by taking away Mom's gun when she clearly needed counseling? Dementia maybe? Outcome? Mom was committed.
 
Old 08-07-2019, 10:59 AM
 
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I can see the point of my post flew right over your head.

There are laws against DUI and texting while driving, etc., but there are still MANY TIMES more deaths related to both than there are deaths in mass shootings.

The 20,000+ gun control laws already don't stop firearm homicides.

Laws don't work because criminals don't obey them, only the law-abiding do.
Ive tried to explain this so many times, I dont understand why people cannot seem to grasp this?!


Heroin is 100% illegal to possess, buy or sell...and yet our state has a major heroin epidemic going on!!
 
Old 08-07-2019, 11:00 AM
 
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"turn in assault guns" can't turn in something that does NOT EXIST!

Just because ignorant people CLAIM a certain gun is an "assault weapon", does NOT make it so.

Every state that has done so, uses cosmetics to describe them which has NOTHING to do with the capabilities of the gun itself.


"We are in a war zone and we may be losing battles and the war." So in your mind the private citizen should have a LESS effective gun then the one your are fighting!
Aside from the incorrect nomenclature, blue states like NY and CT tried the voluntary gun relinquishment route and only had a 4% or less compliance rate. In blue states. Even Dems won't give up their guns. Ponder that...
 
Old 08-07-2019, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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I can see the point of my post flew right over your head.

There are laws against DUI and texting while driving, etc., but there are still MANY TIMES more deaths related to both than there are deaths in mass shootings.

The 20,000+ gun control laws already don't stop firearm homicides.

Laws don't work because criminals don't obey them, only the law-abiding do.
Don't anti gun laws in Japan work quite well?
 
Old 08-07-2019, 11:05 AM
 
Location: USA
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Don't anti gun laws in Japan work quite well?
Japan is a homogenous, strict culture that operates like a police state. Their suicide rate is higher than the U.S. Horrible analogy, intended to deceive, but didn't expect honesty from you.
 
Old 08-07-2019, 11:06 AM
 
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Don't anti gun laws in Japan work quite well?
Gun laws work best in countries that have largely homogeneous populations, which the US does not have.

As I said, blue states like NY and CT tried the voluntary gun relinquishment route and only had a 4% or less compliance rate. In blue states. Even Dems won't give up their guns. Ponder that...
 
Old 08-07-2019, 11:12 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Japan is a homogenous, strict culture that operates like a police state. Their suicide rate is higher than the U.S. Horrible analogy, intended to deceive, but didn't expect honesty from you.
And an island with natural boundaries.
 
Old 08-07-2019, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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That kind of reminds me of air combat exercises we ran in the mid 80s to prove whether it's possible to protect a high value airborne asset--like an AWACS--from a concerted enemy fighter attack.

Essentially, it wasn't possible to keep at least one lone fighter from getting a missile launched at that fat, slow AWACS.

That's about the same problem faced by an "overwatch" of a huge gathering, parcularly when you can't control the patrons as thoroughly as passengers going onto an aircraft can be controlled, and the environment won't remain as secluded from the outside as an airplane at 30,000 feet is excluded from the outside.

We can body-search ever passenger, get them sealed in the plane, and put the plane at 30,000 feet out of reach of bad guys. There. Safe (unless someone has an illegal GRAIL missile in his car).

But we can't body-search every patron in a Walmart, seal it up, and then put the Walmart out of reach of any bad guys.
Your analogy of the AWACS is spot on. I used to fly C121s commonly called "superconnies" out of Argentia Newfoundland back in the early 60s. The one's with the huge radar dome underneath. Also P2v7 Neptunes with the JATO assist to get those mothers off the ground.
It was caller Barrier Patrol and we flew over the North Pole and back on 24 hr shifts. We always knew we'd get it first if TSHTF and there was nothing we could do about it.
Some of our support came from Goose Bay, Labrador.

Wasn't so bad though, about every 10 days we'd fly one to LASY Lockheed Aircraft Service in Idlewild, NY and party for 3 days in NYC while the bird got serviced.
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