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Old 08-21-2019, 01:32 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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I'm at a loss here.
I have a theory. Families don't turn in their psychotic children with guns because with the mental health laws, their "kids" can only be committed involuntarily for 72 hours. I think they're afraid that their nutjob kid (and "kid" these days seems to go until you are 26) making threats will come home and kill or hurt them when he's released in 3 days. I say that 72 hour thing needs to be changed to embolden families to call authorities to get the "kid" out of the house, committed longer and have the guns taken from him.

And if the paperwork is prohibitive, change that, too.

Not sure if that 72 hr thing is state or federal law.

Have we ever seen a mass shooter who is under 26 and NOT still living with his parents?

Won't take care of people like the Las Vegas shooter but we still have no idea why he did what he did.

 
Old 08-21-2019, 06:22 AM
 
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As I said, you don't have the level of hate in Canada as we have in America. Everyone hates each other here. It has nothing to do with video games, and very little to do with mental health.

Almost none of these shooters are even mentally-ill. At worst they might be diagnosed with depression, but they are only depressed because they are unhappy with the world they live in and feel powerless to change it.
That's a point I made earlier. There is an indifference to death in America that you don't find in other industrialized nations.

There is far too much, "I don't care about the death of those people, as long as my ideology remains intact." And that's on both the Left and the Right.
 
Old 08-21-2019, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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That's a point I made earlier. There is an indifference to death in America that you don't find in other industrialized nations.

There is far too much, "I don't care about the death of those people, as long as my ideology remains intact." And that's on both the Left and the Right.
I largely agree with your observations, but as the saying goes, people don't have ideologies, ideologies have people.


People may latch onto ideologies that suit them for the time-being, but their support for any ideology is fleeting. What drives people to believe what they do, is their feelings and desires. And as they go through life, what they want from life changes, and so they change.


What primarily drives people into politics, is being unhappy. There is a strong correlation between being unhappy and being a political radical. The more unhappy you are, the more you want the world to change.


We find ourselves in a world filled with unhappy people, who see others as obstacles to their happiness. If you're a conservative, liberals make you miserable. And if you're a liberal, conservatives make you miserable.


At first you're unhappy, then your unhappiness turns to bitterness, and the bitterness turns into anger, and the anger turns into hate.

These people have made you miserable. They are making everyone miserable. They are hurting people, and they must be stopped. They're the bad guy, and they deserve whatever they get. I'm the good guy because I'm going to stop them. I don't want to do what I'm doing, but what is the alternative? Do nothing?


That is is how a normal person becomes a terrorist, and that is how a normal person becomes a mass shooter. Calling terrorists evil accomplishes nothing. They're not evil.
 
Old 08-21-2019, 08:59 AM
 
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Old 08-21-2019, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Up North
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1) Canada is absolutely less-diverse than America. And Canada's diversity is almost-entirely in just a few cities.

2) Canada's influx of non-white immigration is really only a few decades old, and most of it has come fairly recently.

3) Mass-immigration to Canada is leading to a backlash, just like everywhere else in the world it is happening. Hate is rising everywhere, Canada is no exception. Give it some time and you'll be the next New Zealand.

https://www.cbc.ca/passionateeye/fea...wing-in-canada
Canada is pretty diverse. Isn't Toronto like half Asian? I know Vancouver has a ton of Asian people.

I do agree that they can't be as diverse as America and I also agree that it will catch up to America.
 
Old 08-21-2019, 09:20 AM
 
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Continue to follow gun laws, and practice gun safety every single day.

Thereís nothing that gun owners can do to stop a deranged maniac from using one to kill. We canít stop guys with knives, people plowing through crowds with cars, etc. etc. All we can do is remain law-abiding citizens.

The actions of one crazed person are not the fault or responsibility of the rest of us. Donít allow people to let you feel that way.

We've had guns in this country since its founding, but these awful mass shootings are a phenomenon of the last few decades. So , what else is going on? Instead of taking away peoples' rights, lets consider what is happening that is making these people feel so isolated, detached and angry as to commit these mass shootings? Is it the internet? bullying? ... I have no idea. But just going after people's constitutional rights is not only wrong, but a lame, unimaginative solution that doesn't address whatever the fundamental problem is.
 
Old 08-21-2019, 09:25 AM
 
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We've had guns in this country since its founding, but these awful mass shootings are a phenomenon of the last few decades. So , what else is going on? Instead of taking away peoples' rights, lets consider what is happening that is making these people feel so isolated, detached and angry as to commit these mass shootings? Is it the internet? bullying? ... I have no idea. But just going after people's constitutional rights is not only wrong, but a lame, unimaginative solution that doesn't address whatever the fundamental problem is.
Incels are a pretty big percentage. Remember, the Parkland school shooter was angry that his "girlfriend" was dating another and he lashed out at her.
 
Old 08-21-2019, 10:50 AM
 
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1) Canada is absolutely less-diverse than America. And Canada's diversity is almost-entirely in just a few cities.

2) Canada's influx of non-white immigration is really only a few decades old, and most of it has come fairly recently.

3) Mass-immigration to Canada is leading to a backlash, just like everywhere else in the world it is happening. Hate is rising everywhere, Canada is no exception. Give it some time and you'll be the next New Zealand.

https://www.cbc.ca/passionateeye/fea...wing-in-canada
Like New Zealand, one mass shooting by a white terrorist lead to immediate change in gun laws. New Zealand is a wonderful place, so I would be happy if Canada was like it, and it already is, in many ways. I'm planning a hunting trip to New Zealand for next year.

Yup, we have extreme right wing and left wing groups. Canada also has a huge choice in political parties, with a major democratic socialist party (NDP), a center left Liberal party, a center right Conservative Party, and a couple of minor ones, like the left leaning Green, and the "populist" very right wing People's Party. Realistically, in our upcoming October election, only the Liberals and Conservatives stand a chance.
 
Old 08-21-2019, 01:13 PM
 
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Like New Zealand, one mass shooting by a white terrorist lead to immediate change in gun laws. New Zealand is a wonderful place, so I would be happy if Canada was like it, and it already is, in many ways. I'm planning a hunting trip to New Zealand for next year.

Yup, we have extreme right wing and left wing groups. Canada also has a huge choice in political parties, with a major democratic socialist party (NDP), a center left Liberal party, a center right Conservative Party, and a couple of minor ones, like the left leaning Green, and the "populist" very right wing People's Party. Realistically, in our upcoming October election, only the Liberals and Conservatives stand a chance.
And very few people turned in their guns.
 
Old 08-21-2019, 01:59 PM
 
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And very few people turned in their guns.
Keep buying that narrative.

An estimated 14,000 banned guns were subject to the buyback. Over 11,000 have been turned in so far. In fact, 10,242 firearms have been handed into police, with an additional 1,269 firearms handed in under amnesty.

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