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Old 08-08-2019, 05:39 AM
 
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I’m more for a revolution in education but still with funding. Instead of paying for schools, teachers ect...pay for good report cards.

Abolish the dept of education and abolish the public school system. Let the free market educate the kids in private schools. Pay a set amount yearly for passing grades. For the kids who fail, sorry no cheese for you.
You can't do that-

1. Poorer areas would have lower grades and would receive less funding

2. Teachers would teach to pass tests, not educate the kids

3. The poor areas would receive even worse teachers than they have now

4. What do you do with kids who fail? Put them in jail? I think there should be a "technical" track for those who are less gifted academically and teach them a trade.


My highschool guidance counsellor wanted me to go into auto mechanics, as she said I scored high on the aptitude test for that. She had no idea that I was the valedictorian of the class for that year, as all she saw was a low income bum/thug, instead of even looking at my grades!

We need cheerleaders for kids and people who will encourage education, not discourage it.

What is the worst thing to happen to education? The women's movement of the 60s. The very best and brightest women used to go into teaching. Now those women are physicians, engineers, and leaders in industry. That is great for women, but the US education system has suffered.

My daughter is in med school- she is one of those who probably would have been a teacher in the early 1900s. My teachers growing up were VERY intelligent women who were some of the best and brightest. Now, we usually get "second pick" for teachers. Of course, I am not suggesting that we limit the opportunity for women- women doing whatever the hell they want is great. However, we did lose that very, very important corps of women who were the bedrock of society in teaching the future generations. Fortunately, one of my sons, who was straight "A"s in college, is a highschool teacher in English who is very enthusiastic. We still have good teachers, but the women's movement really hit the education system hard.
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Old 08-08-2019, 05:56 AM
 
Location: Key Biscayne, FL
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I have to say, I’m a Republican who’s been called “far-right” on many economic issues and I consider myself very conservative economically. I could not be more against universal healthcare, free college, subsidized housing, reparations, debt forgiveness, etc. I also think we should drastically cut entitlement benefits in this country. On the issue of education though, I could not disagree with you more. If we are to have a free market capitalist system (of which I am a staunch advocate) in this country it is necessary to have equality of opportunity. Therefore we MUST have a education system that affords that opportunity to all, regardless of ability to pay. The idea of removing governemny funds from K-12 educatjon removes this possibility and would only serve to reinforce the idea spread by democrats that you aren’t responsible for your outcome and that it is necessary to have pervasive socialist programs to support people who do not succeed in life.
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Old 08-08-2019, 06:14 AM
 
Location: Wartrace,TN
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There is a better way to educate children than the current "Bus the kids to an expensive daycare facility and have one teacher attempt to educate 30 kids".

Look at the Khan academy model. All a kid needs is a laptop and internet access. The kid isn't held back by slower learners. The kid isn't bullied. The kid doesn't have to leave his/her home to learn.

There is no need for multi-million dollar school building. There is no need for "district administrators" no need for a school bus fleet with drivers. No teachers. While there would be some need for tutors they could work online with kids.

Kids would learn at their own pace and move on after passing online testing. I recently read an article saying the City of Rochester N.Y. was spending 30,000 dollars per student to "educate" the children. This figure could be reduced to less than 1000 per year even if taxpayers provided the laptop.

Why do we insist on the traditional school structure with the technology we have today? The only issue is of course the babysitting aspect of school. It's YOUR CHILD so YOU should be on the hook for childcare arrangements. If you want your kid to participate in sports it could be done with community teams and clubs. If you want to socialize your kids you can do that through existing organizations.
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Old 08-08-2019, 08:25 AM
 
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"Educational" institutions sure like to push an agenda.
Well one side actually has a future, the other has mr working at McDonalds coming ip with conspiracy theories and watching blogs that tell us the frogs are turning gay..
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Old 08-08-2019, 09:53 AM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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Looks like the Internet Research Agency is now attempting to make the US into a third world country. Let's become a country of untrained illiterates so OP can hang onto his ill gotten gains.
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Old 08-08-2019, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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I about vomit any time I hear someone talk about "investing in our children" or similar emotional marketing gimicks around Education funding. First off, I don't have any children, so by "our children" you mean your children that you want everyone else to pay for. Well we're tired of supporting this bloated, archaic beauracracy that doesn't produce results, is nothing but government daycare. And yes, teachers are overpaid.
Either pay for education or pay for armed guards to protect your compound like in third world countries...
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Old 08-08-2019, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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If you don’t want to pay for society, than you are a hypocrite if you take advantage of ANY of the benefits it provides you.
I've told No Recess many times to actually take a stand for his beliefs and stop paying taxes. Sadly he is to much of a coward to follow through this makes me question his convictions.

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Old 08-08-2019, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Haiku
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An educated population is what makes the difference between an economic powerhouse and an also-ran. China is kicking the US's butt right now in high tech and we risk losing our preeminent position as the king of tech. When Chinese students come to the US and enroll in our schools, they twiddle their thumbs for a couple of years because our education standards are so far behind theirs.

So basically, under-funding education will just make the US into a third-rate economy with a lowered standard of living. Is that what you really want?
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Old 08-08-2019, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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So basically, under-funding education will just make the US into a third-rate economy with a lowered standard of living. Is that what you really want?
Honestly yea I think thats what they want. Conservatives want to turn back the clock they are suspicious of change and new ideas hence the distrust for education.
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Old 08-08-2019, 10:49 AM
 
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You can't do that-

1. Poorer areas would have lower grades and would receive less funding

2. Teachers would teach to pass tests, not educate the kids

3. The poor areas would receive even worse teachers than they have now

4. What do you do with kids who fail? Put them in jail? I think there should be a "technical" track for those who are less gifted academically and teach them a trade.


My highschool guidance counsellor wanted me to go into auto mechanics, as she said I scored high on the aptitude test for that. She had no idea that I was the valedictorian of the class for that year, as all she saw was a low income bum/thug, instead of even looking at my grades!

We need cheerleaders for kids and people who will encourage education, not discourage it.

What is the worst thing to happen to education? The women's movement of the 60s. The very best and brightest women used to go into teaching. Now those women are physicians, engineers, and leaders in industry. That is great for women, but the US education system has suffered.

My daughter is in med school- she is one of those who probably would have been a teacher in the early 1900s. My teachers growing up were VERY intelligent women who were some of the best and brightest. Now, we usually get "second pick" for teachers. Of course, I am not suggesting that we limit the opportunity for women- women doing whatever the hell they want is great. However, we did lose that very, very important corps of women who were the bedrock of society in teaching the future generations. Fortunately, one of my sons, who was straight "A"s in college, is a highschool teacher in English who is very enthusiastic. We still have good teachers, but the women's movement really hit the education system hard.

my mother became a nurse in 1942 she had one of the highest GPAs and test scores in the state of Ohio..she always said she was told by the instructors to go into Medical Research...my mother watched her father die when she was six and THATS why she chose nursing
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