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Old Today, 07:27 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Better than doing nothing. That’s like saying murder proves that laws against murder don’t work.
Doing something stupid that is costly is worse than doing nothing. Look at CA's new ridiculous ammo law.
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Old Today, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Just look around, we have a govt that is growing more and more tyrannical by the year, (is there any aspect of our lives that govt is not somehow involved in?) not to mention the growing 'police state'.


We didnt have these issues back in the 80s...thats what changed!
The people elect the government.
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Old Today, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Even if Trump does try to push ahead with the red flag scheme, there will be a challenge in relation to the constitution.

So chances are, nothing will happen, which is usually what happens.

Red flag laws strip gun owners of their constitutional rights - USA Today

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Old Today, 07:31 AM
 
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Why are "universal background checks" necessary now when they weren't necessary in say....1980?

Guns haven't changed significantly since then.

Proliferation of guns is probably actually less in some ways.

As others have mentioned, the cliche about kids having guns in the back of their pickups is perfectly true.

I took a gun safety course in my 8th grade shop class.

The teacher brought in several guns.

Nobody freaked out, nobody got shot.

Used to be you could order a gun and ammo from the Sears catalogue and have it delivered directly to your home with no background checks.

And yet mass shootings were quite rare.

So what's different now?

What's different now - many things but two that jump out:
1. First and foremost is the information overload through the internet, media and the sensationalizing of everything. The internet and media do have impact on the people - for right or the wrong reasons. I absolutely hate the way CNN and Fox News and channels alike have the news constantly plastered and the political commentary that goes with it.

2. Disparity in wages is growing and the overall stress levels are much higher today than they were a few decades ago
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Old Today, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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The bipartisan House Bill seeks to establish new background checks for firearm transfers between private parties. It excludes gift transfers between spouses.

While not opposed to strengthened background checks, this bill would NOT have prevented most, if any, sensational mass shooting.

Such laws also have no impact on gangs who have no issue acquiring firearms independent of laws.

The bill does however “ do something” which is what the majority of the public want.
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Old Today, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Much like bump stocks, it’s a law that will have no effect on mentally ill mass shooters. Obviously.

Proposing more gun laws is admission that gun laws don’t work.
Majority of public want the federal government to “ do something.”

Politicians use the bump stock ban as evidence of “ doing something”.
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Old Today, 07:44 AM
 
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Trump more anti-gun than Obama ever was. Maybe you guys will find out what it means to make a deal with the devil.
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Old Today, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Boston
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I thought Obama was going to fix gun violence after Newtown. Thoughts and prayers
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Old Today, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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What did Obama do? He turned his back on the inner cities that offer up a gun violence slaughter every weekend.

I have to ask, how many of the gang bangers have had a back ground check before they bought their gun? How many firearm/hunter safety courses have they had before they were allowed to purchase a firearm? How much practice at the range have they had before they head out to the hunting grounds in order to make a clean kill of their target to avoid harming anything else?

The answer of course is they have had none of this and the Democrats that are pushing for even more laws to limit the Rights of law abiding citizens are doing nothing to stop criminals from using illegal guns.


I don't have a problem with someone having to acquire a license to purchase and own firearms since my state has required this for decades and I don't have a problem with universal nationwide back ground checks.

The only problem I do have with background checks is that they need to be extended to voting and to battle illegal immigration.
Gun homicides peaked nearly 30 years ago, in 1993. Gun homicides declined all over the US, regardless of strategy or lack of strategy.

What has any POTUS done to reduce gun violence in rough neighborhoods in inner cities?

Does this mean all POTUS, including the current POTUS, turned their backs on inner cities?

What exactly could have any POTUS done that they did not do?

What exactly can any mayor do to reduce gun violence that ebbs and flows over the years, that they are not doing?

The public expects legislators to “ do something”.

The bipartisan house bill to require background checks on private transfers is “ doing something”. It will not however prevent future sensational mass shootings or gun violence in inner cities.

I do not understand opposition to the bill given no reasonable person wants to be a part of a chain of transfers of a firearm that is eventually used in a homicide.
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Old Today, 08:03 AM
 
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Universal background checks won't stop a single mass shooting. And they're also not enforceable. Private sellers won't bother doing them in just about all cases. And what kind of penalties shall one receive if he sells his property without doing a background check on the buyer?
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