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Old Today, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Originally Posted by Brave New World View Post
Even if Trump does try to push ahead with the red flag scheme, there will be a challenge in relation to the constitution.

So chances are, nothing will happen, which is usually what happens.

Red flag laws strip gun owners of their constitutional rights - USA Today

17 states have Red Flag Laws. No two states have the same laws. Only one state gives nearly anyone the ability to petition to temporarily hold the sale. All states have an appeal process.

No one, including Trump, knows what Trump is talking about. Does it mean Trump supports inconsistent state laws or a universal federal law ? If the latter, who can petition for a hold?

It matters.
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Old Today, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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What's different now - many things but two that jump out:
1. First and foremost is the information overload through the internet, media and the sensationalizing of everything. The internet and media do have impact on the people - for right or the wrong reasons. I absolutely hate the way CNN and Fox News and channels alike have the news constantly plastered and the political commentary that goes with it.

2. Disparity in wages is growing and the overall stress levels are much higher today than they were a few decades ago
The uptick in sensational mass shootings has increased as internet/ social media has matured. Anyone can find groups who will validate and encourage their whacked out perceptions.

Every sensational mass shooting inspires the next. Motives are variable.

The El Paso shooter self radicalized and seemed to believe he was a soldier and martyr in the quest for genocide of Hispanic immigrants, especially illegal immigrants. That he found like company on 8 Chan validated his perceptions. And yeah, some of Trumpís rhetoric/ red meat probably further validated some of the hatred.
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Old Today, 09:22 AM
 
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Better than doing nothing. Thatís like saying murder proves that laws against murder donít work.
Then, under the same rationale, you no doubt support building the border wall as advocated by the President, since it won't necessarily stop every illegal alien attempting to cross the Rio Grande, but it will stop most of them.
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Old Today, 09:23 AM
 
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Then, under the same rationale, you no doubt support building the border wall as advocated by the President, since it won't necessarily stop every illegal alien attempting to cross the Rio Grande, but it will stop most of them.

I see what you did there...
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Old Today, 09:24 AM
 
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Why are "universal background checks" necessary now when they weren't necessary in say....1980?

Guns haven't changed significantly since then.

Proliferation of guns is probably actually less in some ways.

As others have mentioned, the cliche about kids having guns in the back of their pickups is perfectly true.

I took a gun safety course in my 8th grade shop class.

The teacher brought in several guns.

Nobody freaked out, nobody got shot.

Used to be you could order a gun and ammo from the Sears catalogue and have it delivered directly to your home with no background checks.

And yet mass shootings were quite rare.

So what's different now?
People? you realize background checks are aimed at qualifying people, so they dont blame the gun or culture.
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Old Today, 10:08 AM
 
Location: california
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Personally I'd like to see the day when a cop casually asks "why aren't you carrying" and the response is, well I have a mental issue , I am disallowed from carrying.
Or, I normally carry but I failed to qualify last week.
How was your qualify at the range ?
Oh mine was fine , got every thing in the 10 ring @ 30 feet .
That's pushing it.
Ya I know , I need my eyes checked .
Range time is cramped there are only 10 ranges in town people standing in line for an hour for their turn.
Speaking of range time , ammo had sure gotten cheap ,I remember the old days when 9mil was $5. a box of fifty.
What do you think of the new alloy bullets ?
Oh they are great, upon penetration they fragment like crazy and the perp never makes it to the hospital.
Civilians should be able to use them soon.
Do you ever use the auto feature ?
Na it throws off the pattern , too much ammo wasted in the torso .
ya that's true.


First thing you know cops and civilians are talking to one another like old friends even comparing notes and tips even ammo.
A dream world ,I know .
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Old Today, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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What's different now - many things but two that jump out:
1. First and foremost is the information overload through the internet, media and the sensationalizing of everything. The internet and media do have impact on the people - for right or the wrong reasons. I absolutely hate the way CNN and Fox News and channels alike have the news constantly plastered and the political commentary that goes with it.

2. Disparity in wages is growing and the overall stress levels are much higher today than they were a few decades ago



What do either of those things have to do with the necessity or constitutionality of universal background checks?
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Old Today, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Universal background checks won't stop a single mass shooting. And they're also not enforceable. Private sellers won't bother doing them in just about all cases. And what kind of penalties shall one receive if he sells his property without doing a background check on the buyer?



Exactly.

And how do you prove when it was bought or sold?


There are millions of guns out there that have been in people's hands for many years, long before any recording of original purchase info was kept.
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Old Today, 10:31 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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...after saying he'd veto the House bill instituting universal background checks if it got to his desk.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...s-guns-1450897

Which statement is the lie?
I'm pretty sure one of them must be, and I have a suspicion which one it is. I surely don't have any great insight into Trump's mind, though. I just wonder where this appetite is coming from and when it arose.

Hard to tell 'til Donny gets his marching orders from Wayne, Sean, Tucker et al.
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Old Today, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Florida
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He said that off the cuff (which = meaningless) and before Wayne La Pierre called to warn him.

Trump is just another swamp monster bought and paid for by the NRA.

Let's see how he reacts to 90% of the country wanting the background check process upgraded.
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