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Old Today, 10:37 AM
 
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He said that off the cuff (which = meaningless) and before Wayne La Pierre called to warn him.

Trump is just another swamp monster bought and paid for by the NRA.

Let's see how he reacts to 90% of the country wanting the background check process upgraded.
And what mass shootings do you think will be stopped by universal background checks? How do you think universal background checks would have stopped the massacre in Dayton or El Paso or Parkland or Connecticut - the list goes on.
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Old Today, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Universal background checks won't stop a single mass shooting. And they're also not enforceable. Private sellers won't bother doing them in just about all cases. And what kind of penalties shall one receive if he sells his property without doing a background check on the buyer?
Depends. If the 'private party' goes out and murders 25 people at once, I would think a life sentence for abetting mass homicides.

They hold bartenders responsible for the actions of those they serve if they are over the limit and cause an accident or kill someone.

People selling to private parties should be held responsible for crimes committed with the gun.
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Old Today, 10:40 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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...after saying he'd veto the House bill instituting universal background checks if it got to his desk.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...s-guns-1450897

Which statement is the lie? I'm pretty sure one of them must be, and I have a suspicion which one it is. I surely don't have any great insight into Trump's mind, though. I just wonder where this appetite is coming from and when it arose.
It already exists.
What good are repetitive laws that take all peoples liberty and in this case their rights?


" Personal liberty & personal protection, or the Right to enjoyment of life and liberty, is one of the fundamental or natural Rights, which has been protected by its inclusion as a guarantee in the various constitutions, which is not derived from, or dependent on, the U.S. Constitution, which may not be submitted to a vote and may not depend on the outcome of an election. It is one of the most sacred and valuable Rights, as sacred as the Right to private property...and is regarded as inalienable."
- - - 16 Corpus Juris Secundum, Constitutional Law, Sect.202, p.987.
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Old Today, 10:41 AM
 
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Why are "universal background checks" necessary now when they weren't necessary in say....1980?

Guns haven't changed significantly since then.

Proliferation of guns is probably actually less in some ways.

As others have mentioned, the cliche about kids having guns in the back of their pickups is perfectly true.

I took a gun safety course in my 8th grade shop class.

The teacher brought in several guns.

Nobody freaked out, nobody got shot.

Used to be you could order a gun and ammo from the Sears catalogue and have it delivered directly to your home with no background checks.

And yet mass shootings were quite rare.

So what's different now?
Because we have learned since 1980.

Car seats for infants wasn't a think in the 60's but we have to use them now. It isn't because the birth rate has gone up.

I'm not sure of the effectiveness of a universal background check and not arguing for or against just addressing your initial question.
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Old Today, 10:42 AM
 
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Just look around, we have a govt that is growing more and more tyrannical by the year, (is there any aspect of our lives that govt is not somehow involved in?) not to mention the growing 'police state'.


We didnt have these issues back in the 80s...thats what changed!
Blaming the growing police state for increasing domestic white supremacist terrorism? Lol


Funny how these events weren't as common even a few years ago. I think I know what changed
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Old Today, 10:43 AM
 
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And what mass shootings do you think will be stopped by universal background checks? How do you think universal background checks would have stopped the massacre in Dayton or El Paso or Parkland or Connecticut - the list goes on.
Most of these mass shootings have occurred with LEGALLY purchased weapons.
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Old Today, 10:45 AM
 
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People selling to private parties should be held responsible for crimes committed with the gun.
That's not what universal background checks do. And what you're proposing is a civil rights violation.

All that universal backgrounds check do is check the purchasers criminal background - if he's not a felon, has no restraining order against him involving domestic violence - he is good to buy the gun. If he then later uses that gun to commit a crime, it's not the seller's fault. You can't prosecute the seller for this, don't be ridiculous.

Pretty much all of these mass shooters have squeaky clean records before they become mass shooters. In fact, pretty much all (if not all) went to a licensed dealer, passed a background check, and bought their gun.

What you're proposing won't solve a damn thing.
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Old Today, 10:47 AM
 
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The left hates Trump because he doesn't do enough for gun control (what did Obama do?).


The left hates Trump when he offers measures for gun control.


Let's face it- the left would hate Trump if be was Jesus Christ incarnate and delivered paradise on earth to every US citizen. The left would ***** about the music or the food.
Has nothing to do with Trump hatred. The poster is pointing out how Trump talks out of both sides of his mouth.
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Old Today, 10:47 AM
 
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Most of these mass shootings have occurred with LEGALLY purchased weapons.
And how will universal background checks prevent them from buying a weapon? Pretty much all mass shooters have squeaky clean records before they become mass shooters and they bought their guns through licensed dealers - meaning a background check was preformed.

Which mass shootings would have been stopped with universal background checks?
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Old Today, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I thought Obama was going to fix gun violence after Newtown. Thoughts and prayers
That pesky three branches of government thing....The House/ Senate are one of three branches of government and Congress chose to do nothing.
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