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Old Today, 10:50 AM
 
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And how will universal background checks prevent them from buying a weapon? Pretty much all mass shooters have squeaky clean records before they become mass shooters and they bought their guns through licensed dealers - meaning a background check was preformed.

Which mass shootings would have been stopped with universal background checks?
Its a first step. Assuming the right and NRA even care about addressing the problem, beyond offering thoughts and prayers
http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-c...deaths-2017-10
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Old Today, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Universal background checks won't stop a single mass shooting. And they're also not enforceable. Private sellers won't bother doing them in just about all cases. And what kind of penalties shall one receive if he sells his property without doing a background check on the buyer?
Who would know?

Unless the firearm was in the chain of transfers and used to commit a crime.
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Old Today, 10:51 AM
 
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We already have background checks and of the 80,000 or so who have been caught committing a felony by lying on it, the government has prosecuted around 1%.
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Old Today, 10:51 AM
 
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Its a first step. Assuming the right and NRA even care about addressing the problem, beyond offering thoughts and prayers
http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-c...deaths-2017-10
It's not a first step. It doesn't solve anything. It's probably your first step in banning all of guns, but it's not a step in fixing the problem.
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Old Today, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Its a first step. Assuming the right and NRA even care about addressing the problem, beyond offering thoughts and prayers
http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-c...deaths-2017-10
It cannot hurt. However, it would not have prevented most, if not all sensational mass shootings.

Trumpís rhetoric as it relates to background checks is intentionally vague. No one knows his intent, including him.
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Old Today, 10:56 AM
 
Location: North America
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...after saying he'd veto the House bill instituting universal background checks if it got to his desk.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...s-guns-1450897

Which statement is the lie? I'm pretty sure one of them must be, and I have a suspicion which one it is. I surely don't have any great insight into Trump's mind, though. I just wonder where this appetite is coming from and when it arose.
He'll get over it, just like the last time. I trust him about as far as I could throw him.
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Old Today, 11:05 AM
 
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It's not a first step. It doesn't solve anything. It's probably your first step in banning all of guns, but it's not a step in fixing the problem.
Lol, so you just want RWNJs to keep shooting up public places. Got it
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Old Today, 11:14 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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I thought Obama was going to fix gun violence after Newtown. Thoughts and prayers


I thought Trump was better than Obama.
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Old Today, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Florida
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That's not what universal background checks do. And what you're proposing is a civil rights violation.

All that universal backgrounds check do is check the purchasers criminal background - if he's not a felon, has no restraining order against him involving domestic violence - he is good to buy the gun. If he then later uses that gun to commit a crime, it's not the seller's fault. You can't prosecute the seller for this, don't be ridiculous.

Pretty much all of these mass shooters have squeaky clean records before they become mass shooters. In fact, pretty much all (if not all) went to a licensed dealer, passed a background check, and bought their gun.

What you're proposing won't solve a damn thing.
I don't think you understand what I stated. First off--we were not discussing retail gun sales at all--just expanding the checks.

In addition, I heard a GOP politician on the news today saying he was for background checks, but one could not expect private parties to do those.

You stated that even with extensive background checks, private parties can sell guns. Right--so that is a loophole, and if the GOP insists on having it, there has to be some accountability or anyone will sell guns to anyone without a second thought.

Since when is not having to have any accountability a civil right?

And--Fun Fact--other countries and organizations are issuing Travel Advisories for the USA due to gun violence.

So we're right up there with third world countries and war zones.
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Old Today, 12:01 PM
 
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What do either of those things have to do with the necessity or constitutionality of universal background checks?
I was merely responding to a question from another poster about why mass shootings are more prevalent today
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