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Old Yesterday, 11:18 AM
 
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It is my understanding, Illinois has the highest conviction rate for political corruption.

What does this mean?

Are there more corrupt politicians in Illinois?

Do the corrupt politicians in Illinois push it more so than corrupt politicians in other states?

Are the corrupt politicians in Illinois dumber than corrupt politicians in other states?

Does Illinois prosecute more corrupt politicians than other states?

Do prosecutors win political corruption cases more often than in other states?

Are state and municipal laws looser than in other states?

Was reading about one of the battles between the new Chicago mayor and aldermen regarding zoning variances. Like most places, Chicago has zoning laws. Unlike most places, the alderman have the authority to approve variances. This sort of thing creates an environment ripe for corruption at a very local level. Itís this sort of thing that keeps some in power for decades.
Well, in my example corruption at a federal level kept a dozen or more other IL politicians from joining Blago so that's part of it.

I personally feel that in IL unless you're caught red handed you don't get charged, hence the high conviction rate.

I'd point to the Jussie Smollets debacle too and how he escaped initial prosecution despite being 100% busted. We both know that was politics.
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Old Yesterday, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Texas
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No kidding. But why would Trump even consider a commutation with that slimeball?
Because Crooked Trump is a corrupt slimeball too!!
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Old Yesterday, 11:30 AM
 
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Because Crooked Trump is a corrupt slimeball too!!
He had a lot of competition . . . and competition is controlled in this country.

So, sleep well . . . competition is under control.
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Old Yesterday, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Seattle
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Well on the plus side, he has been permanently banned from ever holding political office in the state of Illinois. At least Trump can't take that away. Perhaps there are other charges he could be tried on at the state level?
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Old Yesterday, 11:40 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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Illinois had the distinction of having two of its former governors ( a Republican and a Democrat) ... Trump was a donor.
Trump has always brazenly played both sides of the street like a genuine person, not tried to hide it like so many charlatans, and we love him for it.

We are tired of pompous moralizing. We are sick and tired of it.

We want leaders to admit to us mouth-to-mouth, face-to face that they are as corrupt as any other human being, and then get on with providing infrastructure so that we have water, food, shelter, fuel, electricity, antibiotics, and the other necessities of a comfortable convenient life, after which we all simply mind our own effing business.

What we don't want is impossible promises of shangri la, because it doesn't work that way.

Greasing the wheels does.
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Old Yesterday, 12:55 PM
 
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Trump has always brazenly played both sides of the street like a genuine person, not tried to hide it like so many charlatans, and we love him for it.

We are tired of pompous moralizing. We are sick and tired of it.

We want leaders to admit to us mouth-to-mouth, face-to face that they are as corrupt as any other human being, and then get on with providing infrastructure so that we have water, food, shelter, fuel, electricity, antibiotics, and the other necessities of a comfortable convenient life, after which we all simply mind our own effing business.

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So cutting off science and medical research and stem cell R&D and all that....is going to make sure you have what you need?

And, really....you don't think some people are more moral and upright than others? That's fantastic....really!

So you are sick of the Eisenhowers of the world......and demand those who caused the Great Depression or other such things because.....at least you KNOW they are fully corrupted.

BUT BUT BUT...I never heard Trump admit he was corrupt...in fact, he continually claims the opposite. He is a Christian...
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Old Yesterday, 12:56 PM
 
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I've never liked white collar crime privilege.
Golden Rule - he with the Gold Rules.

Lots of people seem to like it. They put people with money on a pedastal.
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Old Yesterday, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Illinois had the distinction of having two of its former governors ( a Republican and a Democrat) in prison at the same time. Blagojevich was a king of “ pay to play” and got 18 year Federal sentence for attempting to sell a state Senate seat ( on tape) and other assorted crimes of corruption.

Blago was the first Democrat in 30 years to be elected Governor in Illinois in 2002 and was re-elected in 2006. Trump was a donor. Trump Org built and opened Trump Hotel and condo tower in Chicago, during that timeframe.

A boatload of charges of corruption were filed against Blago including attempts to exhort the owners of the right leaning Chicago Tribune to fire editors who were critical of him.

Blago was impeached, convicted and removed from office in 2009 and then faced federal charges.

Blago was a guest celebrity on Apprentice in 2010. Not clear why Trump would choose a former governor who was removed from office and under Federal Investigation to be a guest on his show.

He was convicted by a federal court in 2012. He received a stiff sentence. His subsequent requests for parole have been denied. Trump has called it a tragedy and blamed Comey/ FBI.

And yesterday, Trump said he is considering commuting Blago’s sentence.


https://www.chicagobusiness.com/gove...g-his-sentence
He was found guilty of trying to sell Obama's seat in the legislature. He did the crime, he should serve his time.

I also saw an article this morning that said Jared the Useless was the one who put the bug in Donnie Divot's ear, reasoning that a pardon would draw Democratic support. If so, there is a severe miscalculation in the formula. Democrats want the guilty punished, regardless of party affiliation. He should never judge others by his own yardstick of party before country.
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Old Yesterday, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Trump has always brazenly played both sides of the street like a genuine person, not tried to hide it like so many charlatans, and we love him for it.

We are tired of pompous moralizing. We are sick and tired of it.

We want leaders to admit to us mouth-to-mouth, face-to face that they are as corrupt as any other human being, and then get on with providing infrastructure so that we have water, food, shelter, fuel, electricity, antibiotics, and the other necessities of a comfortable convenient life, after which we all simply mind our own effing business.

What we don't want is impossible promises of shangri la, because it doesn't work that way.

Greasing the wheels does.
Any idea what the timetable is for Trump to start doing any of this? Can he watch TV and tweet all day and still get it done?
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Old Yesterday, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Well, in my example corruption at a federal level kept a dozen or more other IL politicians from joining Blago so that's part of it.

I personally feel that in IL unless you're caught red handed you don't get charged, hence the high conviction rate.

I'd point to the Jussie Smollets debacle too and how he escaped initial prosecution despite being 100% busted. We both know that was politics.
Smollet's case does not pass the smell test. Big whoop he agreed to forfeit his bond in exchange for dropping the charges. It infuriated the then mayor and CPD.

Was the Cook County state attorney's office star- struck? Was there concern Hollywood would blacklist the state? Did it want to avoid the costly optics of prosecution? Makes no sense.
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