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Old Today, 02:35 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Knee jerk legislation is often more damaging in the long term than whatever it is designed to prevent or keep us safe from. Cooler heads should always prevail in the wake of emotional events that can cause people to lose their wits temporarily and make decisions that logic would show to be unwise. A two week mandatory waiting period between an event and legislation designed to prevent future occurrences of that event would ensure that at least some of the initial knee jerk tendencies are taken out of the decision making. It would also prevent politicians from taking advantage of tragedies to further their pre-existing agendas.

No matter what they do, it is up to you and you only to consent. You are not their property to order to do anything you do not wish to do.
" Personal liberty & personal protection, or the Right to enjoyment of life and liberty, is one of the fundamental or natural Rights, which has been protected by its inclusion as a guarantee in the various constitutions, which is not derived from, or dependent on, the U.S. Constitution, which may not be submitted to a vote and may not depend on the outcome of an election. It is one of the most sacred and valuable Rights, as sacred as the Right to private property...and is regarded as inalienable."
- - - 16 Corpus Juris Secundum, Constitutional Law, Sect.202, p.987.
In this excerpt we see that sacred rights encompass natural rights, personal liberty, and the right to private property (i.e., absolutely owned by an individual).
NATURAL RIGHTS - ... are the rights of life, liberty, privacy, and good reputation.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed., p. 1324
Short review of the foundation of American law - - -" We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..."
--- Declaration of Independence, 1776
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Old Today, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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There have been at least 17 deadly mass shootings in the US so far in 2019
https://abcnews.go.com/US/deadly-mas...ry?id=63449799

It seems they have had more than 2 weeks. McConnell needs to come back and do his job.
If 20 dead first and second graders at Sandy Hook Elementary School didn't move legislatures to revise gun safety and ownership requirements in this country, nothing will.
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Old Today, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Originally Posted by Fifty Seven View Post
Knee jerk legislation is often more damaging in the long term than whatever it is designed to prevent or keep us safe from. Cooler heads should always prevail in the wake of emotional events that can cause people to lose their wits temporarily and make decisions that logic would show to be unwise. A two week mandatory waiting period between an event and legislation designed to prevent future occurrences of that event would ensure that at least some of the initial knee jerk tendencies are taken out of the decision making. It would also prevent politicians from taking advantage of tragedies to further their pre-existing agendas.
At the rate of these shootings, two weeks without one might not ever happen effectively blocking an effort at legislation.

How about a two week waiting period to buy a firearm?
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Old Today, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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You'd think, but there are calls for McConnell to bring the senate back from vacation now so they can vote on a red flag gun bill that the house already has ready to go. When they have to they can whip those bills up quickly. Maybe 2 weeks isn't enough? Just a number I pulled out of my head. The purpose is to keep these bills from becoming knee jerk reactions.

The bill was already written and voted on by the House before the latest shootings. McDonothing did nothing about the bill.
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Old Today, 02:55 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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If 20 dead first and second graders at Sandy Hook Elementary School didn't move legislatures to revise gun safety and ownership requirements in this country, nothing will.
What makes you think government can do anything to reduce mass shootings or other wise increase "gun safety"?

That it hasn't already tried, with the result that mass shootings are getting WORSE?
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Old Today, 02:58 PM
 
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No waiting period because no legislation is required and all existing laws should be abolished.
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Old Today, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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The House passed a change to federal gun laws on Feb 27, 2019.

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The new bill, HR 8, would close this loophole, although it would leave some exemptions for gun transfers among family and temporary transfers (like lending a gun) while hunting.

For years, the proposal — for universal or comprehensive background checks — has been the top item on gun control advocates’ wish list. It polls extremely well among gun owners, people who don’t own guns, Democrats, Republicans — basically everyone. And it certainly makes sense: If there’s a loophole that potentially lets criminals get guns, why not close it?

Yet the House proposal faces tough odds in the Senate, which is controlled by Republican lawmakers who have been much more reluctant to approve any gun control bills — despite widespread support for universal background checks among GOP constituents. President Donald Trump’s administration has also come out against the bill.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...lence-congress
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Old Today, 02:59 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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You'd think, but there are calls for McConnell to bring the senate back from vacation now so they can vote on a red flag gun bill
So now you want the government to take people's guns away who have broken no laws; killed, injured, attacked, or even threatened no one; simply because they think he MIGHT do some of those things in the future? With no "due process of law", no jury trial, no nothing?

Your high school civics teacher would be proud of you.

(snicker)
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Old Today, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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So now you want the government to take people's guns away who have broken no laws; killed, injured, attacked, or even threatened no one; simply because they think he MIGHT do some of those things in the future? With no "due process of law", no jury trial, no nothing?

Your high school civics teacher would be proud of you.

(snicker)
So much for the "mentally disturbed person pulled the trigger, not the gun" based solution.

People have the right to due process so lets lock up the guns instead.
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Old Today, 03:36 PM
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Location: Posting from my space yacht.
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So now you want the government to take people's guns away who have broken no laws; killed, injured, attacked, or even threatened no one; simply because they think he MIGHT do some of those things in the future? With no "due process of law", no jury trial, no nothing?

Your high school civics teacher would be proud of you.

(snicker)
Not I said the fly. I think this is one of the worst pieces of gun legislation to be put up for a vote for a long time. Seems designed specifically to be abused.
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