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Old 08-12-2019, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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" I called them a clip in Vietnam" If you weren't laughed at and corrected ....."
I did 2 TOURS in NAM AND never HEARD "CLIP" used instead of magazine when talking about the M-16.
Maybe you were in the rear, not true where I was. The point is that the poster knew exactly what I meant.
Point being that an AR15 can do enough damage in seconds same as an M16.
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Old 08-12-2019, 02:50 PM
 
Location: in my imagination
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Maybe you were in the rear, not true where I was. The point is that the poster knew exactly what I meant.
Point being that an AR15 can do enough damage in seconds same as an M16.
And what exactly makes the AR15 or AK semi auto rifle more lethal than a Remington 742 or such (a legendary hunters rifle) semi auto rifle? Or for that matter the M1 Garand? What is so magically lethal about a AR-15 compared to other semi auto rifles that aren't military look a likes?

Why ban the AR-15 and not the 742?

If you answer truthfully it will be " well ugh the AR-15 isn't more lethal than those other rifles"

The only argument that could be made is hi-capacity mags are available for the AR-15 but other than that the mechanics are the same.

But I will tell you from experience the AR is a very accurate rifle more so than average hunting rifles which makes it a great target precision rifle but maniacs don't shoot a 100 yards plus usually do they?, no they shoot at pistol distances. Al those maniacs the school, mall or Walmart shooters could have done the same damage with a handgun or shotgun, the only one recent where distance mattered was the Las Vegas shooter.
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Old 08-12-2019, 02:50 PM
 
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Maybe you were in the rear, not true where I was. The point is that the poster knew exactly what I meant.
Point being that an AR15 can do enough damage in seconds same as an M16.
And absolutely no different than most hunting rifles. Do you want those gone too?
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Old 08-12-2019, 02:51 PM
 
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And what exactly makes the AR15 or AK semi auto rifle more lethal than a Remington 742 or such (a legendary hunters rifle) semi auto rifle? Or for that matter the M1 Garand? What is so magically lethal about a AR-15 compared to other semi auto rifles that aren't military look a likes?

Why ban the AR-15 and not the 742?

If you answer truthfully it will be " well ugh the AR-15 isn't more lethal than those other rifles"

The only argument that could be made is hi-capacity mags are available for the AR-15 but other than that the mechanics are the same.
I have a 27 round magazine for my old semi auto 22 rifle.
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Old 08-12-2019, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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And what exactly makes the AR15 or AK semi auto rifle more lethal than a Remington 742 or such (a legendary hunters rifle) semi auto rifle? Or for that matter the M1 Garand? What is so magically lethal about a AR-15 compared to other semi auto rifles that aren't military look a likes?

Why ban the AR-15 and not the 742?

If you answer truthfully it will be " well ugh the AR-15 isn't more lethal than those other rifles"

The only argument that could be made is hi-capacity mags are available for the AR-15 but other than that the mechanics are the same.

But I will tell you from experience the AR is a very accurate rifle more so than average hunting rifles which makes it a great target precision rifle but maniacs don't shoot a 100 yards plus usually do they?, no they shoot at pistol distances
I'm sure there are other rifles, just addressing the point that the AR-15 isn't much different than the M16 and the AK47. I don't recall any of those being used in any of the mass shootings.
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Old 08-12-2019, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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And absolutely no different than most hunting rifles. Do you want those gone too?
If we are going to do this correctly yes we need to restrict other guns including certain handguns but that is pretty much a fantasy in our gun culture. Background checks and red flags will be difficult enough and not that effective.
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Old 08-12-2019, 03:02 PM
 
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I'm sure there are other rifles, just addressing the point that the AR-15 isn't much different than the M16 and the AK47. I don't recall any of those being used in any of the mass shootings.
The other hunting rifles including my old 22 function just the same. There are millions of other semi auto rifles being used for hunting. They all are one shot for one trigger pull.
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Old 08-12-2019, 03:05 PM
 
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I'm sure there are other rifles, just addressing the point that the AR-15 isn't much different than the M16 and the AK47. I don't recall any of those being used in any of the mass shootings.
Because the AR-15 or carbine version are the most popular rifles in America among law abiding citizens not just criminals. The most popular car is bound to be used in the most DUI or such even though most owners of said car drive responsibly.

Go to any rifle range in America WHERE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN BANNED ALREADY like California or NY and you will see half the lanes occupied using a AR-15 type rifle to target shoot. They are everywhere owned by many people.

However ban them, a maniac will just use a different gun. It is the point I have been trying make time and time again.
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Old 08-12-2019, 03:05 PM
 
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So if I need to defend my family from someone with a semi auto, because criminals are not going to give them up, I would be expected to use a muzzle loader?
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Old 08-12-2019, 03:19 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I probably have enough ammunition to last a lifetime.
With all these stupid laws I like to work up to resized, trimmed and primered cases I store in clear storage bins. Then I can custom out a few hundred at a time. Of course I have the usual 5.56, etc handy.
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