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Old 08-08-2019, 01:52 PM
 
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The preamble (bolded here) makes it clear the amendment was intended for the military - which, back in those days, consisted of a militia (roughly the equivalent of the modern National Guard). Thus, the limit is pretty much anywhere anybody wants to put it, because the amendment was not even intended for the common citizenry.
No, that doesn't follow. Whatever its desired purpose, the Founding Fathers made the right clear, and it says

"the right of the people"

not

"the right of the people in a well regulated militia."

You can change that sentence to say,

"A healthy fit population, being necessary to the wellbeing of a free State, the right of the people to enjoy cheap healthy food options shall not be infringed."

Now don't you agree it would be patently stupid to interpret that as "only healthy people will have the right to enjoy cheap healthy food options." I'm sure you do.
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Old 08-08-2019, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Alexander Hamilton made it clear the 2nd amendment was intended for the militia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_No._29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_No._46
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Old 08-08-2019, 01:59 PM
 
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Pretty sure that old bat gets kickbacks from the sales.
I am absolutely convinced she does, since she drops the same bill with the same speeches every year, without fail. You can set a clock to it.

It is the most reliable spike in gun and ammunition sales that happens every year. Either she gets cash directly from the gun/ammo lobby, or she has some indirect channel where their sales profit her somehow.

It's simply too reliable for her to not be making money at this point.
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Old 08-08-2019, 02:05 PM
 
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Alexander Hamilton made it clear the 2nd amendment was intended for the militia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_No._29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_No._46
None of this supports what you wrote. The purpose of an amendment, or its desired outcome is not the same as to the means to get to the intended purpose. We can get into the weeds into what kind of militia the FF wanted but it's immaterial - the FF wanted to accomplish this well regulated militia by allowing "the people" {with no qualifications} to have a right to own and bear arms.
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Old 08-08-2019, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Gun sales surging.

Liberals will never learn.

Thank you for the profits I will be enjoying.
You aren't going to enjoy any "profits" from gun sales. You are not fooling anyone.
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Old 08-08-2019, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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None of this supports what you wrote. The purpose of an amendment, or its desired outcome is not the same as to the means to get to the intended purpose. We can get into the weeds into what kind of militia the FF wanted but it's immaterial - the FF wanted to accomplish this well regulated militia by allowing "the people" {with no qualifications} to have a right to own and bear arms.
You are engaging in little more than rhetorical mumbo-jumbo to try to convince yourself of something which is clearly not true.

The militia they envisioned (no matter which flavor) was clearly not intended to be the entire population. Hamilton himself, in Federalist 29, goes to great length to argue that the militia should not be that big, so as not to upset a large portion of the population from their daily lives:

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed29.asp
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Old 08-08-2019, 02:23 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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It's like a doctor hoping for an epidemic so he can get more patients and make more money.

Sick.
No, what is sick, is when he creates the epidemic, so he can get more patients.
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Old 08-08-2019, 02:29 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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So it is just the fear of not being able to buy a certain type of gun.

So is it just assault type guns that are being purchased?
No, ammo too. That's why I decided to reload long ago. Every time politicians start preaching bans the shelves empty. Every time since the 90s.

But, if people would just calm down and realize bans don't actually ban anything.
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Old 08-08-2019, 02:31 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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You aren't going to enjoy any "profits" from gun sales. You are not fooling anyone.
Typically an AR15 can be purchased for around 300 bucks when times are quiet. When Obama started his campaign the typical AR15 became scarce and went for about a grand. That's a pretty dandy profit.
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Old 08-08-2019, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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No, what is sick, is when he creates the epidemic, so he can get more patients.
Doctors don't create epidemics.
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