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Old 08-09-2019, 09:27 AM
 
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So ,how far are the electric cars going to go when its -10c, 6 months a year.

We loose about 15-20% range in the winter time.

In our car, we have 160miles available in the winter.
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Old 08-09-2019, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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We loose about 15-20% range in the winter time.

In our car, we have 160miles available in the winter.
Where do you live-and how much snow/slush are you churning through with that 160 mile range? What is charging time? Thanks.
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Old 08-09-2019, 09:37 AM
 
Location: 15 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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https://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...-a7065616.html

Norway is increasingly seen as the envy of the world. It is FIRST place in the world happiness index. It is #5 in median income (U.S. is behind at #8). It has a debt-to-GDP ratio of -90.5 percent. In other words it has a national surplus, not a national debt.

Norway has obviously made a lot of good decisions. Now they are making another good decision by banning the sale of fossil-fuel-powered vehicles by 2025. Not the 2030 plan of Gov. Jay Inslee, which was seen as way too ambitious and radical but 2025.

Can someone please explain to me why we are not following Norway's lead????
right so their cars will not be powered by fossil fuel...but will be powered by electricity generated by fossil fuels.....


end result...nada
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Old 08-09-2019, 09:41 AM
 
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right so their cars will not be powered by fossil fuel...but will be powered by electricity generated by fossil fuels.....


end result...nada
It wouldn't surprise me if a large power plant + an electric motor is more efficient than an internal combustion engine. OTOH, there's transmission loss to be dealt with

Personally, I'm pro-EV, but it's hard to beat the marketplace as a mechanism for easing them into common use.
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Old 08-09-2019, 09:42 AM
 
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I live outside Ålesund : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ålesund

Its at the seaside, so not a lot of snow. 4-8 inches at worse.

But, most of that is removed by snowplows in the morning.. so we are not wading through a lot.

But, Electric cars are popular in Norway from North to South, and those living further inland, see ALOT of snow.


Charging... not sure. She has never driven it to 0%.
Her commute is 40miles each day, so she drives it 3-4 days, then charge it. Its recharged by the morning.

But its rather quick, because of our charger.
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Old 08-09-2019, 09:42 AM
 
Location: 125 Years Too Late...
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So everyone in Norway will be walking everywhere they go after 2025?

If not, they are not doing what they think they are doing as far as "saving the environment."

Hint: electric cars, when viewed holistically, are as damaging (or more so) to the environment as are fossil fuel cars.
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Old 08-09-2019, 09:45 AM
 
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Yeah, so people can either buy a $35,000 Tesla model 3 with a possible little tax credit, or get charged up to 100% tax on something else. What a great idea!

Where did you find a $35k Model 3 ? Everything I'm finding is close to $40k or more, pre owned.
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Old 08-09-2019, 09:49 AM
 
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Where did you find a $35k Model 3 ? Everything I'm finding is close to $40k or more, pre owned.
Illustrates my point even further. I was just using the MSRP.
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Old 08-09-2019, 09:49 AM
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It is not just Norway. Most of the European countries are attempt to get people and their cities on clean energy.

If you turn a gas guzzler for electric or hybrid car in Spain that is over 10 years old, there is a 5,500 euro subsidy for the purchase. The US has a tax credit program, but Trump wants to get rid of it of course--this admin is working on creating more pollution, not less.

https://www.roadtraffic-technology.c...sil-fuel-cars/
Praytell us what energy source will be used to produce these millions of "miracle cars"? Charging stations?
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Old 08-09-2019, 09:54 AM
 
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Illustrates my point even further. I was just using the MSRP.

Living in MI, we would need the AWD long range version...MSRP $41K and some change. If I could get one in the low $30's I probably would. It would offset my full size gas guzzling pick up.
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