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Old 08-09-2019, 12:03 PM
 
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So, are they going to stop extracting and selling oil? Of course not, that is the source of the government's wealth and power.

Norway has zero care about pollution, they are among the largest sources of it, however, they love feel good initiates.

We are 27th on the list over countries producing Co2 pr capita.

And 45th on total greenhouse emission pr capita.
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Old 08-09-2019, 12:16 PM
 
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https://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...-a7065616.html

Norway is increasingly seen as the envy of the world. It is FIRST place in the world happiness index. It is #5 in median income (U.S. is behind at #8). It has a debt-to-GDP ratio of -90.5 percent. In other words it has a national surplus, not a national debt.

Norway has obviously made a lot of good decisions. Now they are making another good decision by banning the sale of fossil-fuel-powered vehicles by 2025. Not the 2030 plan of Gov. Jay Inslee, which was seen as way too ambitious and radical but 2025.

Can someone please explain to me why we are not following Norway's lead????
It's not just Norway. A friend of ours just returned from a European vacation and said there are many countries over there that are predominately fueled by renewable energy. The U.S. is too bought and paid for by the fossil fuel industry to allow that to happen.
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Old 08-09-2019, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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Can someone please explain to me why we are not following Norway's lead????
Norway happened to be a very small country with lots of oil. They only have 5.3 million people and their sovereign wealth fund is over a trillion dollars gained from oil revenue. Technically I don't think Norwegians even have to have an economy or "work" if they wanted to, since all of them can just live off of interest from their oil revenue...


Imagine if the US oil revenue was $62 trillion dollars, for sure we could follow Norway's lead.
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It's not just Norway. A friend of ours just returned from a European vacation and said there are many countries over there that are predominately fueled by renewable energy. The U.S. is too bought and paid for by the fossil fuel industry to allow that to happen.
This is false. On emissions, the US may be doing less than the EU, but we are doing a lot more than Canada, Australia, Japan or any other developed country. Texas is one of the leaders in renewables, with almost 20% of total electricity generated from wind and solar last year. Total CO2 emissions in the United States are about to fall below our levels from the 1990, despite US having 80 million more people. We have tremendous gains in reducing emissions per capita, or emissions per $ GDP metrics. Just because we didn't sign the Paris Accords or any other piece of UN toilet paper that literally every single other country violates, doesn't mean we are not doing anything. Look at the actual stats.

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Old 08-09-2019, 12:31 PM
 
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It wouldn't surprise me if a large power plant + an electric motor is more efficient than an internal combustion engine. OTOH, there's transmission loss to be dealt with

Overall it might be slightly more efficient but not much. The newest combined cycle gas plants operate up to about 60% efficiency but that is when they are being run as base load plants at maximum capacity 24/7. These plants only came online since about 2000 and make up about 20 percent of US capacity. The other gas and coal plants might be mid 30 percent. This is one reason if not the primary reason gas is beating coal, if such tech is made viable for coal it's a game changer because the cost of coal per BTU has averaged about half that of gas since the boom began.
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Old 08-09-2019, 12:35 PM
 
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We are 27th on the list over countries producing Co2 pr capita.

And 45th on total greenhouse emission pr capita.
Norway ranks somewhere among the top 15 oil exporting countries, that is a very large pollution footprint.

You are just citing what Norway itself produces, not what it exports.
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Old 08-09-2019, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Bellingham, WA
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Norway does have large oil exports and gets most of it's electricity from hydroelectric power, so they have the $$$$$$$$ to afford the infrastructure to go all electric transport. It also helps that it's a small country, as someone said, the size of Kentucky.
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Old 08-09-2019, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Homeless wanderer
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Sure.. Just need a company to produce one.

There are some 500.000 electric buses in China... and are estimated to produce 600.000 more in 6 years. The US will have 5000 by the same time. China is saving ALOT by going electric.

Soon, all trucks will be electric as well.


Most of our ferries are being rebuilt or bought as pure electric now. They have cut operating costs by 80% compared to regular ferries and reduce emissions by 95%.
https://electrek.co/2018/02/03/all-e...emission-cost/


Our short distance airports are looking for all electric planes.. as soon as somebody will produce them, they will be bought.



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Do they make cars in Norway?
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Old 08-09-2019, 12:51 PM
 
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Isn't Norway sits on a huge oil reserve and one of the largest exporters of oil?
Yes they are. It’s the secret to their success. I wonder how long after this comes to pass are we going to see how poor and unhappy people in Norway are going to be. Idiot government.
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Old 08-09-2019, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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I'd love a Model 3. I can't afford one. Most of the other entry level electric cars have way too short of a range to be practical or are otherwise inferior to standard ICE cars.

The bottom line is that Americans aren't rich enough to afford nice electric cars.
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Old 08-09-2019, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Bellingham, WA
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Sure.. Just need a company to produce one.

There are some 500.000 electric buses in China... and are estimated to produce 600.000 more in 6 years. The US will have 5000 by the same time. China is saving ALOT by going electric.

Soon, all trucks will be electric as well.

Most of our ferries are being rebuilt or bought as pure electric now. They have cut operating costs by 80% compared to regular ferries and reduce emissions by 95%.
https://electrek.co/2018/02/03/all-e...emission-cost/

Our short distance airports are looking for all electric planes.. as soon as somebody will produce them, they will be bought.
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China thanks the USA for it's $13 trillion in trade surplus over the last ~15 years so it could afford all this.
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