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Old 08-10-2019, 09:51 AM
 
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It turns out that electric scooters weren't as green and environmentally friendly as previously thought. I wonder how much time will pass before the same is said of electric vehicles?
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Old 08-10-2019, 10:09 AM
 
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Guess how the Chinese make most of their energy. Hint: It starts with the letter 'coal'.

From Scientific American a couple of years ago:

"The same argument applies worldwide. Driving an electric car in China, where coal is by far the largest power plant fuel, is a catastrophe for climate change. And if the coal plant lacks pollution controls—or fails to turn them on—it can amplify the extent of smog, acid rain, lung-damaging microscopic soot and other ills that arise from burning fossil fuels. The same is true in other major coal-burning countries, such as Australia, India and South Africa."
The Chinese are investing a lot in "clean coal", which reduces pollutants considerably compared to conventional coal power plants.

Also, for the Chinese the main problem was pollution of the urban environment. That is reduced when the electricity comes from farther away and the cars in the cities are clean.

But as I said earlier, the goal must be to drastically reduce the number of cars on our roads. I think China is doing the right thing when they build that dense network of high-speed train lines, those trains are much more efficient and faster than cars.
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Old 08-10-2019, 11:18 AM
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Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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You say the same thing to Sweden, Denmark and Finland and Iceland, that has no oil, but rank just as well?

(Denmark has some oil)
And to answer the many posts about Norway's oil, Venezuela has even more oil than Norway, and people are literally starving there. It's not all about the oil. It's about decision-making.

Norway was headed down the road of mismanagement for a while, but managed to put in more beneficent leadership, and turned things around--big time. BTW the Scandi countries have been moving somewhat rightward over the last couple decades, in recognition of the 'moral hazard' of generous welfare often cited by conservatives. They're still nothing like the US.
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Old 08-10-2019, 11:47 AM
 
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In Venezuela people are starving because of the theft of huge amounts of Venezuelan money and political blackmail by the West and others.
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Old 08-10-2019, 12:36 PM
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In Venezuela people are starving because of the theft of huge amounts of Venezuelan money and political blackmail by the West and others.
Venezuela always had corruption and negative outside influences. They were still the wealthiest country in South America until Chavez came to power in 1998 and started implementing socialist policies. He expropriated farms, and even started a chain of government owned/operated grocery stores.
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Old 08-10-2019, 01:21 PM
 
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Venezuela always had corruption and negative outside influences. They were still the wealthiest country in South America until Chavez came to power in 1998 and started implementing socialist policies. He expropriated farms, and even started a chain of government owned/operated grocery stores.
Still, the UN and various NGO's have already confirmed that it is the sanctions, boycotts, blockades etc. that have lead to starvation. Before that ideologically motivated economic war on Venezuela, there were already problems due to incompetence and corruption of course, but nothing compared to now. The country is under siege, not just the government, but the entire innocent population.
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Old 08-10-2019, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Near Falls Lake
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It is not just Norway. Most of the European countries are attempt to get people and their cities on clean energy.

If you turn a gas guzzler for electric or hybrid car in Spain that is over 10 years old, there is a 5,500 euro subsidy for the purchase. The US has a tax credit program, but Trump wants to get rid of it of course--this admin is working on creating more pollution, not less.

https://www.roadtraffic-technology.c...sil-fuel-cars/
I just got back from spending some time in Europe and quite frankly I didn't see much in the way of electric or hybrid cars....I did see a lot of scooters and they weren't electric either.
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Old 08-10-2019, 01:49 PM
 
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I just got back from spending some time in Europe and quite frankly I didn't see much in the way of electric or hybrid cars....I did see a lot of scooters and they weren't electric either.
Depends on the country, I suppose.
In some countries there are not enough charging stations, yet, so some people don't dare buy an electric car for the time being.

Here in Portugal they are definitely on the rise (1640 sold in 2017, 4073 in 2018), but absolute numbers are still low for a country of 10 million. Here is a list of the 10 best selling e-cars in 2018, and the number of vehicles sold:
https://4gnews.pt/10-carros-eletrico...idos-portugal/
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Old 08-10-2019, 01:50 PM
 
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Times, they are a changin'.

0-60 in 3 seconds. All wheel drive. 400 mile range on a single charge. Able to drive through three feet of water.
Hitting the market next year. (Where there once was an engine is now trunk space.)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc64gMpReOU
Base price: $69,000 (at this writing; probably more when they actually hit the showroom.)

That's a pretty hefty price tag for a truck that contains only marginally more interior room than a Toyota Tacoma, but slightly less than a standard Ford F-150, which can be had for tens of thousands less, and which already has a vast and convenient refueling network available. While the specs for the Rivian R1T are interesting, I'm not sure the average truck buyer will find them $20-$30,000 more interesting than gasoline-powered models.

If the times be a'changin', I'm not sure this is any real evidence of it. Conspicuous consumers have always sought novelty for its own sake, and any demand there might be for the Rivian R1T will prove to be no exception. I'm sure they'll sell a few, but they have a long, long, long way to go before they will be said to be making inroads into the domestic truck market.

You see...Ford sells a Super Duty or F-150 about every 30 seconds in the U.S. as of 2018. Rivian will probably be lucky to sell one unit every 30 days. Maybe every 10 days if you include their SUV model.
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Old 08-10-2019, 02:43 PM
 
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Hmmm
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