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Old 08-10-2019, 02:52 PM
 
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Do they equip car parks with charging stations by now? Would be cool. While you work or shop, your car is recharged...

Another idea would be to build a very efficient solar cell panel into the car's roof. Especially in sunny regions like the SW in the US you just leave your car in the parking lot and when you get back hours later it is recharged. Or maybe it even charges the car to a certain extent while you are driving.
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Old 08-10-2019, 03:25 PM
 
Location: USA
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The Chinese are investing a lot in "clean coal", which reduces pollutants considerably compared to conventional coal power plants.

Also, for the Chinese the main problem was pollution of the urban environment. That is reduced when the electricity comes from farther away and the cars in the cities are clean.

But as I said earlier, the goal must be to drastically reduce the number of cars on our roads. I think China is doing the right thing when they build that dense network of high-speed train lines, those trains are much more efficient and faster than cars.
I'll pass on what ever China says or does, as pure Bullsht

"The world's top 100 most polluted cities in 2018"
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/05/healt...ntl/index.html

"List of most-polluted cities by particulate matter concentration"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._concentration

"China and Indonesia are the top sources of plastic bottles, bags and other rubbish clogging up global sea lanes. Together, both nations account for more than a third of plastic detritus in global waters"
https://www.statista.com/chart/12211...eans-the-most/


"Child labour behind smart phone and electric car batteries"
"Major electronics brands, including Apple, Samsung and Sony, are failing to do basic checks to ensure that cobalt mined by child labourers has not been used in their products"
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Old 08-10-2019, 03:29 PM
 
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Do they equip car parks with charging stations by now? Would be cool. While you work or shop, your car is recharged...

Another idea would be to build a very efficient solar cell panel into the car's roof. Especially in sunny regions like the SW in the US you just leave your car in the parking lot and when you get back hours later it is recharged. Or maybe it even charges the car to a certain extent while you are driving.
A Tesla averages around 250 watts per mile.

A solar panel on your roof might be up to 250 watts.

Parking in the sun for 5 hours would get you about 5 miles.
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Old 08-10-2019, 04:00 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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I'll pass on what ever China says or does, as pure Bullsht

"The world's top 100 most polluted cities in 2018"
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/05/healt...ntl/index.html

"List of most-polluted cities by particulate matter concentration"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._concentration

"China and Indonesia are the top sources of plastic bottles, bags and other rubbish clogging up global sea lanes. Together, both nations account for more than a third of plastic detritus in global waters"
https://www.statista.com/chart/12211...eans-the-most/


"Child labour behind smart phone and electric car batteries"
"Major electronics brands, including Apple, Samsung and Sony, are failing to do basic checks to ensure that cobalt mined by child labourers has not been used in their products"
Oh great, another China-bashing thread

Has anyone said China does not have a pollution problem? I sure haven't. What I am saying is that China is working on it, by building clean coal power plants, for instance. In such a giant country cleaning up will take 15 years or so.
Nor do we have any right to accuse China because the West has accounted for almost all pollution worldwide for the past 200 years. Compared to that, China's pollution during those 200 years was very modest.

Even today China's per-capita ecological footprint is like 1/3 of the American one.

Yes, American and Japanese companies exploit Chinese workers and ruin the Chinese environment, what else is new?
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Old 08-10-2019, 04:07 PM
 
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A Tesla averages around 250 watts per mile.

A solar panel on your roof might be up to 250 watts.

Parking in the sun for 5 hours would get you about 5 miles.
So bad?!
Well, maybe enough to get to the next charger...
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Old 08-10-2019, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Central Illinois -
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Base price: $69,000 (at this writing; probably more when they actually hit the showroom.)

That's a pretty hefty price tag for a truck that contains only marginally more interior room than a Toyota Tacoma, but slightly less than a standard Ford F-150, which can be had for tens of thousands less, and which already has a vast and convenient refueling network available. While the specs for the Rivian R1T are interesting, I'm not sure the average truck buyer will find them $20-$30,000 more interesting than gasoline-powered models.

If the times be a'changin', I'm not sure this is any real evidence of it. Conspicuous consumers have always sought novelty for its own sake, and any demand there might be for the Rivian R1T will prove to be no exception. I'm sure they'll sell a few, but they have a long, long, long way to go before they will be said to be making inroads into the domestic truck market.

You see...Ford sells a Super Duty or F-150 about every 30 seconds in the U.S. as of 2018. Rivian will probably be lucky to sell one unit every 30 days. Maybe every 10 days if you include their SUV model.
I agree this is priced out of the average consumer market, but this truck is comparably priced to a fully loaded Ford Raptor, which will cost around $75,000. The good news is Tesla is set to unveil a new truck that will list for under $50,000, and Ford and GM are already designing new electric trucks, and hopefully they can hit the $40,000 mark, which will definitely make it affordable to your average truck buyer.

Ultimately these prices will come down. I sincerely hope for the best for Rivian, produced not far from where I live, but at that price point, I'm not sure how well these will sell. Most everyone I know would not shell out that kind of money for a truck.
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Old 08-10-2019, 06:31 PM
 
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Guess what the price would be for the truck would be if Ford or GM retooled just one of their factories for just this model?

Price would plummet like a rock... because its SO cheap and simple to build!

Volum goes up, prices go down.


That is why new tech often needs help to get of the ground..
NASA must have spun of trillions in new engineering and tech to the private sector that they still profit of.

Just like Norway does, by not collecting taxes on electric cars, they basically cost the same as gasoline cars.
And when they cost the same... people in Norway choose electric cars!
And so will everybody else...


That is why the carmakers are terrified of them. Their entire business model is based on complicated engines and service costs for owners. A battery and a couple of electric motors are dead simple in comparison.
And Oil companies do NOT like the idea of people realizing electric cars and cleaner electricity in general is better then any coal, oil or gas plant.



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Old 08-10-2019, 08:48 PM
 
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https://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...-a7065616.html

Norway is increasingly seen as the envy of the world. It is FIRST place in the world happiness index. It is #5 in median income (U.S. is behind at #8). It has a debt-to-GDP ratio of -90.5 percent. In other words it has a national surplus, not a national debt.

Norway has obviously made a lot of good decisions. Now they are making another good decision by banning the sale of fossil-fuel-powered vehicles by 2025. Not the 2030 plan of Gov. Jay Inslee, which was seen as way too ambitious and radical but 2025.

Can someone please explain to me why we are not following Norway's lead????

Norway is not awesome. It is a sh*tstain on the world.


Until the late 1970's they sterilized people with mental disabilities. There is reason to believe they euthanized physically disabled people. https://www.eurozine.com/sterilizati...-dark-chapter/ https://www.economist.com/europe/199...-of-all-places





There is reason to believe that Norway sanctioned the extrajudicial murder of a legally residing foreigner by another government on its territory - and the kicker is the guy didn't do what he was accused of - oops mistaken identity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillehammer_affair



Norway got rich pumping oil out of the North Atlantic, shoving it on a boat, transferring it on the high seas to ships working on behalf of internationally isolated dictatorial governments like white apartheid-era South Africa. https://draugen.industriminne.no/en/...ich-backfired/
http://kora.matrix.msu.edu/files/50/...aled%20opt.pdf Pg. 77 et al



While the US and rest of the civilized governments were working to get rid of South Africa, Norway was raking in the cash. In fact, Norwegian shipping industry even sanction-busted and delivered oil from other countries to South Africa. https://draugen.industriminne.no/en/...ich-backfired/



Given the country's track record, I wonder what looking a little deeper may reveal. Because in fact, besides oil and salmon there is little industry in a nation with less people than the Seattle metro area.



https://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...h-farming.aspx



Spare me the great Norway story. The country has a serious issue with depression and violence. Why Is The Convicted Murderer Of A Gay Man Being Celebrated At A Major Metal Festival? - VH1 News


What I do really want to know, why do people fantasize how awesome Western Europe and Canada are? If you have never lived there full-time, here is a summary:



It's stifling and oppressive. Virtue signaling is an art form except when it comes to exceptions that suddenly pop up (like blackface https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/15/w...t-verdict.html) and like the French going up and down the western side of Africa installing and de-installing dictators while spouting of human rights.



Everyone is inferior - not just the Americans who came twice to save their butts, not just the Russians who lost armies of young men on the 1000 miles between Moscow and Berlin to put fascism down, not just the Africans whom they promise to respect after decades, the people in the Middle East of all religions who they now loathe openly, the Asians who work like drones, supposedly never have fun, and supposedly copy everything but are now innovating more than the Europeans and manage to export cultural ideas better than Europe, but especially the Eastern Europeans who had the good fortune to be on the same continent but . . .


If you work, your chance of finding a first job after college is multiples less than in the US. You will be offered training contracts (low paid internships), zero hour contracts (google those) and these multiple times. Even governments call these coercive. Better like your job. Trying to find another job after age 35 is as difficult in most of Europe as being in your 50's in the US and looking for a new white collar job. So basically, your working career window to change your job/position/field is from 27-35. Ohh, some fields now routinely required PhDs. Lol. Talk of overeducation. Innovation in Western Europe is driven by market makers in Germany and Holland and a few scattered across the EU, and lots and lots of EU and government sponsored research most of which is worth less than bunk. Japan with a shrinking/aging population less than 1/4 of the EU is more innovative en masse.


Everyone loves languages to the tune of studying at least English since Kindergarten, sometimes being required to pick up a second or third in their school. The way it is taught is painful and how you are supposed to celebrate it is even more painful. Learning French, when you are a kid in Holland is just stupid. France is an economic basket case. Better off learning Chinese or Japanese or Russian alongside English or just not. Kids know it, adults know it, yet the train rolls on.



Most people tend to live in crappy apartments that are decades old, often too small, too uncomfortable. They are cheered on to ride on subsidized mass transit to get to a job that taxes them heavily to subsidize mass transit. If only they could lower taxes and second car registration fees so people can actually have some true mobility to help encourage economic resource allocation where it is needed the most.



Ohh and the Canadians, if you are a French-speaking Canadian you define yourself as not Anglo and live in a bubble, and the English speaking Canadians define themselves as not Americans. Seriously, when was the last time an American defined themselves as not Mexican.



If you are an American, you are living in a great country, be happy. Sure, somehow, someway, the health care system needs to be improved to reduce costs and cover all and there is no need to have our troops on every corner in the world guarding those who really don't appreciate us.
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Old 08-10-2019, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Florida
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So, I am wondering, with these cars being electronic, could they be controlled by an outside source if they hacked into the car, or by the government who wants to exude more control of it's citizens?
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Old 08-10-2019, 09:44 PM
 
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Do they equip car parks with charging stations by now? Would be cool. While you work or shop, your car is recharged...

Another idea would be to build a very efficient solar cell panel into the car's roof. Especially in sunny regions like the SW in the US you just leave your car in the parking lot and when you get back hours later it is recharged. Or maybe it even charges the car to a certain extent while you are driving.
Some people work at night, so what is stopping criminals or psychos from unplugging the car so the owner of the car can't make it start and drive away from danger?
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