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Old 08-10-2019, 09:45 PM
 
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Getting rid of 5000 gas chuggers...whoopee!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 08-11-2019, 01:33 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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So, I am wondering, with these cars being electronic, could they be controlled by an outside source if they hacked into the car, or by the government who wants to exude more control of it's citizens?
All modern cars are controlled electronically.
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Old 08-11-2019, 01:39 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Coming soon to my home town...

https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/f...ways-1.4543753

The Wilson Group, a transportation company that serves Victoria, purchased the silent, emissions-free boats and says they can run for eight to 10 hours at a speed of about 12 kilometres an hour...The operating cost of this boat is 10 cents per operating hour.
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Old 08-11-2019, 04:25 AM
 
Location: Texas
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https://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...-a7065616.html

Norway is increasingly seen as the envy of the world. It is FIRST place in the world happiness index. It is #5 in median income (U.S. is behind at #8). It has a debt-to-GDP ratio of -90.5 percent. In other words it has a national surplus, not a national debt.

Norway has obviously made a lot of good decisions. Now they are making another good decision by banning the sale of fossil-fuel-powered vehicles by 2025. Not the 2030 plan of Gov. Jay Inslee, which was seen as way too ambitious and radical but 2025.

Can someone please explain to me why we are not following Norway's lead????
The top exports of Norway are Crude Petroleum ($28.1B), Petroleum Gas ($27.7B), Non-fillet Fresh Fish ($5.61B), Refined Petroleum ($4.81B)

So Norway raises their money by exporting oil and you champion that they are thinking about going to electric cars? lol You didn't think this through. If every country went to electric cars, Norway would be a dump.
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Old 08-11-2019, 04:48 AM
 
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Norway is not awesome. It is a sh*tstain on the world.


Until the late 1970's they sterilized people with mental disabilities. There is reason to believe they euthanized physically disabled people. https://www.eurozine.com/sterilizati...-dark-chapter/ https://www.economist.com/europe/199...-of-all-places





There is reason to believe that Norway sanctioned the extrajudicial murder of a legally residing foreigner by another government on its territory - and the kicker is the guy didn't do what he was accused of - oops mistaken identity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillehammer_affair



Norway got rich pumping oil out of the North Atlantic, shoving it on a boat, transferring it on the high seas to ships working on behalf of internationally isolated dictatorial governments like white apartheid-era South Africa. https://draugen.industriminne.no/en/...ich-backfired/
http://kora.matrix.msu.edu/files/50/...aled%20opt.pdf Pg. 77 et al



While the US and rest of the civilized governments were working to get rid of South Africa, Norway was raking in the cash. In fact, Norwegian shipping industry even sanction-busted and delivered oil from other countries to South Africa. https://draugen.industriminne.no/en/...ich-backfired/



Given the country's track record, I wonder what looking a little deeper may reveal. Because in fact, besides oil and salmon there is little industry in a nation with less people than the Seattle metro area.



https://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...h-farming.aspx



Spare me the great Norway story. The country has a serious issue with depression and violence. Why Is The Convicted Murderer Of A Gay Man Being Celebrated At A Major Metal Festival? - VH1 News


What I do really want to know, why do people fantasize how awesome Western Europe and Canada are? If you have never lived there full-time, here is a summary:



It's stifling and oppressive. Virtue signaling is an art form except when it comes to exceptions that suddenly pop up (like blackface https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/15/w...t-verdict.html) and like the French going up and down the western side of Africa installing and de-installing dictators while spouting of human rights.



Everyone is inferior - not just the Americans who came twice to save their butts, not just the Russians who lost armies of young men on the 1000 miles between Moscow and Berlin to put fascism down, not just the Africans whom they promise to respect after decades, the people in the Middle East of all religions who they now loathe openly, the Asians who work like drones, supposedly never have fun, and supposedly copy everything but are now innovating more than the Europeans and manage to export cultural ideas better than Europe, but especially the Eastern Europeans who had the good fortune to be on the same continent but . . .


If you work, your chance of finding a first job after college is multiples less than in the US. You will be offered training contracts (low paid internships), zero hour contracts (google those) and these multiple times. Even governments call these coercive. Better like your job. Trying to find another job after age 35 is as difficult in most of Europe as being in your 50's in the US and looking for a new white collar job. So basically, your working career window to change your job/position/field is from 27-35. Ohh, some fields now routinely required PhDs. Lol. Talk of overeducation. Innovation in Western Europe is driven by market makers in Germany and Holland and a few scattered across the EU, and lots and lots of EU and government sponsored research most of which is worth less than bunk. Japan with a shrinking/aging population less than 1/4 of the EU is more innovative en masse.


Everyone loves languages to the tune of studying at least English since Kindergarten, sometimes being required to pick up a second or third in their school. The way it is taught is painful and how you are supposed to celebrate it is even more painful. Learning French, when you are a kid in Holland is just stupid. France is an economic basket case. Better off learning Chinese or Japanese or Russian alongside English or just not. Kids know it, adults know it, yet the train rolls on.



Most people tend to live in crappy apartments that are decades old, often too small, too uncomfortable. They are cheered on to ride on subsidized mass transit to get to a job that taxes them heavily to subsidize mass transit. If only they could lower taxes and second car registration fees so people can actually have some true mobility to help encourage economic resource allocation where it is needed the most.



Ohh and the Canadians, if you are a French-speaking Canadian you define yourself as not Anglo and live in a bubble, and the English speaking Canadians define themselves as not Americans. Seriously, when was the last time an American defined themselves as not Mexican.



If you are an American, you are living in a great country, be happy. Sure, somehow, someway, the health care system needs to be improved to reduce costs and cover all and there is no need to have our troops on every corner in the world guarding those who really don't appreciate us.
Lol, thanks for that, I haven't laughed so much in a long time.
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Old 08-11-2019, 09:34 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Some people work at night, so what is stopping criminals or psychos from unplugging the car so the owner of the car can't make it start and drive away from danger?
Hehe, I was wondering the same thing recently when I was passing by a car that was plugged in along the sidewalk. Unless there is some sort of locking mechanism that prevents strangers from unplugging it...
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Old 08-11-2019, 09:52 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Can someone please explain to me why we are not following Norway's lead????
Most of what you earn, is taken by government. And then government runs most of your life for you.

Plus, the Norwegians don't bother building up their military very much, preferring to rely on countries such as the U.S. to defend them against their large, aggressive neighbors.

Who do you suggest the U.S. should rely upon, to defend them?

From https://www.sovereignman.com/lifesty...er-taxes-8235/

Norway is one of the most heavily taxed countries in the world with a total tax burden of roughly 45% of GDP– almost 4x Hong Kong and nearly twice the US.

VAT here is a whopping 25%. Personal income tax rates border 55%. Corporate profits tax ranges from 28% to as high as 78%. Norway even has a direct WEALTH TAX.

This place is about as socialist as it gets. The Norwegian tax authority’s own website even states, “The Norwegian tax system is based on the principle that everybody should pay tax according to their means and receive services according to their needs.”

It’s as if Karl Marx himself wrote the country’s tax policy.



Anything else you need explained to you?

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Old 08-11-2019, 10:04 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Originally Posted by Yuptag View Post
Norway is not awesome. It is a sh*tstain on the world.


Until the late 1970's they sterilized people with mental disabilities. There is reason to believe they euthanized physically disabled people. https://www.eurozine.com/sterilizati...-dark-chapter/ https://www.economist.com/europe/199...-of-all-places





There is reason to believe that Norway sanctioned the extrajudicial murder of a legally residing foreigner by another government on its territory - and the kicker is the guy didn't do what he was accused of - oops mistaken identity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillehammer_affair



Norway got rich pumping oil out of the North Atlantic, shoving it on a boat, transferring it on the high seas to ships working on behalf of internationally isolated dictatorial governments like white apartheid-era South Africa. https://draugen.industriminne.no/en/...ich-backfired/
http://kora.matrix.msu.edu/files/50/...aled%20opt.pdf Pg. 77 et al



While the US and rest of the civilized governments were working to get rid of South Africa, Norway was raking in the cash. In fact, Norwegian shipping industry even sanction-busted and delivered oil from other countries to South Africa. https://draugen.industriminne.no/en/...ich-backfired/



Given the country's track record, I wonder what looking a little deeper may reveal. Because in fact, besides oil and salmon there is little industry in a nation with less people than the Seattle metro area.



https://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...h-farming.aspx



Spare me the great Norway story. The country has a serious issue with depression and violence. Why Is The Convicted Murderer Of A Gay Man Being Celebrated At A Major Metal Festival? - VH1 News


What I do really want to know, why do people fantasize how awesome Western Europe and Canada are? If you have never lived there full-time, here is a summary:



It's stifling and oppressive. Virtue signaling is an art form except when it comes to exceptions that suddenly pop up (like blackface https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/15/w...t-verdict.html) and like the French going up and down the western side of Africa installing and de-installing dictators while spouting of human rights.



Everyone is inferior - not just the Americans who came twice to save their butts, not just the Russians who lost armies of young men on the 1000 miles between Moscow and Berlin to put fascism down, not just the Africans whom they promise to respect after decades, the people in the Middle East of all religions who they now loathe openly, the Asians who work like drones, supposedly never have fun, and supposedly copy everything but are now innovating more than the Europeans and manage to export cultural ideas better than Europe, but especially the Eastern Europeans who had the good fortune to be on the same continent but . . .


If you work, your chance of finding a first job after college is multiples less than in the US. You will be offered training contracts (low paid internships), zero hour contracts (google those) and these multiple times. Even governments call these coercive. Better like your job. Trying to find another job after age 35 is as difficult in most of Europe as being in your 50's in the US and looking for a new white collar job. So basically, your working career window to change your job/position/field is from 27-35. Ohh, some fields now routinely required PhDs. Lol. Talk of overeducation. Innovation in Western Europe is driven by market makers in Germany and Holland and a few scattered across the EU, and lots and lots of EU and government sponsored research most of which is worth less than bunk. Japan with a shrinking/aging population less than 1/4 of the EU is more innovative en masse.


Everyone loves languages to the tune of studying at least English since Kindergarten, sometimes being required to pick up a second or third in their school. The way it is taught is painful and how you are supposed to celebrate it is even more painful. Learning French, when you are a kid in Holland is just stupid. France is an economic basket case. Better off learning Chinese or Japanese or Russian alongside English or just not. Kids know it, adults know it, yet the train rolls on.



Most people tend to live in crappy apartments that are decades old, often too small, too uncomfortable. They are cheered on to ride on subsidized mass transit to get to a job that taxes them heavily to subsidize mass transit. If only they could lower taxes and second car registration fees so people can actually have some true mobility to help encourage economic resource allocation where it is needed the most.



Ohh and the Canadians, if you are a French-speaking Canadian you define yourself as not Anglo and live in a bubble, and the English speaking Canadians define themselves as not Americans. Seriously, when was the last time an American defined themselves as not Mexican.



If you are an American, you are living in a great country, be happy. Sure, somehow, someway, the health care system needs to be improved to reduce costs and cover all and there is no need to have our troops on every corner in the world guarding those who really don't appreciate us.
You are not a fan of Norway, I take it?
Neither am I, frankly. I could not live in Scandinavia, there is something gloomy about it. And all those Nordic people...

And yes, of course they are hypocritical, when they export so much oil products and then pretend to be green at home.
Together with Japan they also still hunt whales, despite global protests.

Yes, both Europeans and Americans have a lot of skeletons in their closets. No denying that...

I don't get your rant about Canada, though. Canada is one of the best countries of the world. Except for the climate, I would prefer Canada to the US anytime if I had to live in North America.

Nor is Europe the same as Norway. Spain for instance is another world compared to Norway.
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