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Old 08-08-2019, 11:21 AM
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Norway is increasingly seen as the envy of the world. It is FIRST place in the world happiness index. It is #5 in median income (U.S. is behind at #8). It has a debt-to-GDP ratio of -90.5 percent. In other words it has a national surplus, not a national debt.

Norway has obviously made a lot of good decisions. Now they are making another good decision by banning the sale of fossil-fuel-powered vehicles by 2025. Not the 2030 plan of Gov. Jay Inslee, which was seen as way too ambitious and radical but 2025.

Can someone please explain to me why we are not following Norway's lead????
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Old 08-08-2019, 11:25 AM
 
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Norway is increasingly seen as the envy of the world. It is FIRST place in the world happiness index. It is #5 in median income (U.S. is behind at #8). It has a debt-to-GDP ratio of -90.5 percent. In other words it has a national surplus, not a national debt.

Norway has obviously made a lot of good decisions. Now they are making another good decision by banning the sale of fossil-fuel-powered vehicles by 2025. Not the 2030 plan of Gov. Jay Inslee, which was seen as way too ambitious and radical but 2025.

Can someone please explain to me why we are not following Norway's lead????
Because we haven't voted for it.

Maybe start with your own state and ask why 10 years out is just "a plan" and hasn't been passed.

Why is that? You should be able to answer that.
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Old 08-08-2019, 11:32 AM
 
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Norway is increasingly seen as the envy of the world. It is FIRST place in the world happiness index. It is #5 in median income (U.S. is behind at #8). It has a debt-to-GDP ratio of -90.5 percent. In other words it has a national surplus, not a national debt.

Norway has obviously made a lot of good decisions. Now they are making another good decision by banning the sale of fossil-fuel-powered vehicles by 2025. Not the 2030 plan of Gov. Jay Inslee, which was seen as way too ambitious and radical but 2025.

To what benefit? Norway sits on an ocean of oil. What will be the forced cost on the citizens there of this plan? And again, to what benefit? To appease some climate change alarmists? What would the impact of that one country be overall? Norway is one of the last countries that should be doing this, especially via dictat from the central government.

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Can someone please explain to me why we are not following Norway's lead????

Because centrist bans by a few "deciders" over the entire populace is too authoritarian?
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Old 08-08-2019, 11:33 AM
 
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Can someone please explain to me why we are not following Norway's lead????
Because they are the size of Kentucky?

Part of this utopian idea that exists involves the total eradication of fossil fuels. I think it's better to have diversified sources of energy.

Has anyone checked on Germany's march in this direction of "clean" energy?
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Old 08-08-2019, 11:35 AM
 
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Can someone please explain to me why we are not following Norway's lead????
from what I remember you live in a city and use public transportation and walk?
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Old 08-08-2019, 11:48 AM
 
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Because they are the size of Kentucky?

Part of this utopian idea that exists involves the total eradication of fossil fuels. I think it's better to have diversified sources of energy.

Has anyone checked on Germany's march in this direction of "clean" energy?
It is not just Norway. Most of the European countries are attempt to get people and their cities on clean energy.

If you turn a gas guzzler for electric or hybrid car in Spain that is over 10 years old, there is a 5,500 euro subsidy for the purchase. The US has a tax credit program, but Trump wants to get rid of it of course--this admin is working on creating more pollution, not less.

https://www.roadtraffic-technology.c...sil-fuel-cars/
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Old 08-08-2019, 11:50 AM
 
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Norway is increasingly seen as the envy of the world. It is FIRST place in the world happiness index. It is #5 in median income (U.S. is behind at #8). It has a debt-to-GDP ratio of -90.5 percent. In other words it has a national surplus, not a national debt.

Norway has obviously made a lot of good decisions. Now they are making another good decision by banning the sale of fossil-fuel-powered vehicles by 2025. Not the 2030 plan of Gov. Jay Inslee, which was seen as way too ambitious and radical but 2025.

Can someone please explain to me why we are not following Norway's lead????
Because it means we would likely have to start taxing the purchase of new combustion engine vehicles at up to 100% tax rates to get people to buy electric cars, just like Norway. Thats a non-starter right there.
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Old 08-08-2019, 12:14 PM
 
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Norway is increasingly seen as the envy of the world. It is FIRST place in the world happiness index. It is #5 in median income (U.S. is behind at #8). It has a debt-to-GDP ratio of -90.5 percent. In other words it has a national surplus, not a national debt.

Norway has obviously made a lot of good decisions. Now they are making another good decision by banning the sale of fossil-fuel-powered vehicles by 2025. Not the 2030 plan of Gov. Jay Inslee, which was seen as way too ambitious and radical but 2025.

Can someone please explain to me why we are not following Norway's lead????

It will once the technology and infrastructure catches up. Currently battery technology and lack of charging stations outside of major cities is the largest issue. The USA is huge land wise and we are accustomed to going where ever we want without worry of access to fuel (Gas). Just gas up and go. Once that fear is removed with electric cars they will take off.


This is also my feeling on driverless cars, once the technology is trusted very few will want to deal with rush hour traffic and manually drive.
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Old 08-08-2019, 01:12 PM
 
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Isn't Norway sits on a huge oil reserve and one of the largest exporters of oil?
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Old 08-08-2019, 01:17 PM
 
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It's ironic that so many on the Left want us to be more like the Scandinavian countries, which are overwhelmingly White.
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