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Old 08-10-2019, 10:48 PM
 
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But it is misleading to imply China is carrying all the burden of the increased cost of goods imported.
Not all. Because any tariff here is paid on our side. But they conceivably can help neutralize. As we can, like with our new Farm subsidies.
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Old 08-10-2019, 10:51 PM
 
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And that is something Trump isn't aware of of counting on.
I don't believe that. Most likely Trump is smarter than I am. I just can't figure out the last episode of this reality show.
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Old 08-11-2019, 07:32 AM
 
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It seems everyone agrees China is to be dealt with -- and you know what -- if that's the only reason you voted for Trump -- (hear the loud obnoxious buzzer) -- he wasn't the only candidate in the last election to have that concern.

He's not reinventing the wheel - he's just going about it the wrong way.

He totally has no understanding of China. international trade, etc.
Dealt with?

No different than we deal with trade partners the world over.

Your statement is like saying "we have to take care of Europe and deal with them". It sounds dark....and threatening and win/lose or lose/lose.

But I think what many of us may be getting at is that the "old way" of actually having staff and diplomacy and ongoing adjustments works quite well.

Interesting that we know we had to "deal with" the debt and deficit also.....a bigger deal than China. We also have to deal with Health Care.

Why hasn't Trump stopped our economy for those? Instead he pushed for MORE debt....which would be akin for him to say "Heck, lower tariffs on China, we like cheap goods".....

Answer: Because he is a populist and trying to appeal to know-nothings.
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Old 08-11-2019, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Dealt with?

No different than we deal with trade partners the world over.

Your statement is like saying "we have to take care of Europe and deal with them". It sounds dark....and threatening and win/lose or lose/lose.

But I think what many of us may be getting at is that the "old way" of actually having staff and diplomacy and ongoing adjustments works quite well.

Interesting that we know we had to "deal with" the debt and deficit also.....a bigger deal than China. We also have to deal with Health Care.

Why hasn't Trump stopped our economy for those? Instead he pushed for MORE debt....which would be akin for him to say "Heck, lower tariffs on China, we like cheap goods".....

Answer: Because he is a populist and trying to appeal to know-nothings.
Populists were the ones who cared about healthcare and normal workers. intellectualism is what destroyed them.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...t-soul/504710/

Tariffs on China are the best way to help better American society.
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Old 08-11-2019, 07:37 AM
 
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A trade war with China is such a lazy trump move. Stepping up our game at home and fixing our problems is too difficult for trump. Putting together a coalition of trading partners and allies to confront China’s abusive economic practices is too difficult for trump. So we’re left with a lazy trade war with China that is going to make trump a one term president.
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Old 08-11-2019, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Charlotte NC
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Lmao. OP, I got a bridge in Arizona for a reasonable price if you want it?
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Old 08-11-2019, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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A trade war with China is such a lazy trump move. Stepping up our game at home and fixing our problems is too difficult for trump. Putting together a coalition of trading partners and allies to confront China’s abusive economic practices is too difficult for trump. So we’re left with a lazy trade war with China that is going to make trump a one term president.
Foreign trade and off shoring are directly related to domestic policies and social well being.

Come on, this was a cheap shot.
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Old 08-11-2019, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Populists were the ones who cared about healthcare and normal workers. intellectualism is what destroyed them.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...t-soul/504710/

Tariffs on China are the best way to help better American society.
Because paying higher prices is what's good for America.
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Old 08-11-2019, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Because paying higher prices is what's good for America.
Yup. The only prices that goes up are cheap consumer goods. Public goods like Housing, Medical Care, Irrigation, and electricity don't. In fact there is a downwards pressure on them as consumer spending goes down and profit share of corporations consequentially drop.

Consumer spending is a drug the advertisement industry and media have helped developed to make our national economy dependent on waste production, cheap migrant labor, and off-shored industry.

Rather than helping maintain industry in small communities, they are deported abroad to slave labor in third world countries destroying social well-being in this country in exchange for cheap goods. A Walmart or an Amazon can not replace small community jobs that keep people afloat and provide a social as well as economic purpose for millions of people.

By embracing free trade economics corporations are empowered to abuse American capital and labor in pursuit of higher shareholder profits regardless of the social consequences. This has laid ruin to small businesses and lead to a reorganization of our population into metropolitan areas where life is strictly controlled by government regulation, taxes, interest rates, debt, banking schemes, private equity manipulation, and student loans.

Any other questions?
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Old 08-11-2019, 08:25 PM
 
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Lmao. OP, I got a bridge in Arizona for a reasonable price if you want it?
OP seems to be missing from this discussion.

Nonetheless, there are plenty of others willing to try and dazzle us with BS.
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