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Old 08-08-2019, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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As it is written is ambiguous and is the source of all the arguing that goes on here and elsewhere. SCOTUS relied on experts in 18th century legal documents to unravel the meaning of the infamous comma that separates the first and second clauses of 2A. I am not arguing either side of what 2A means, but it is probably the worst written sentence in our Constitution.
There is nothing ambiguous about the 2nd. It says that the right of the people to keep and bear arms canít be taken away because the people may need to use those arms in defense of the country.
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Old 08-08-2019, 08:11 PM
 
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EXTREME LEFT

Government takes over most private markets and industries, or
Elevation of labor unions to run the corporation
Slavery reparations
Wealth taxes to achieve full economic equality
Greenpeace

EXTREME RIGHT

Denying, resisting and thwarting the science of climate change
Denying the rise of white nationalist terrorism
Opposition to gay marriage
Hardcore NRA members. Arming teachers.
Returning to the Gold Standard
Abortion prohibiton even in cases of rape or incest

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What's not "extreme liberal": $15 living wage, affordable college, path to citizenship for DACA and universal healthcare. All of these were mainstream Democratic positions from the prior century.
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Old 08-08-2019, 08:27 PM
Status: "white culture is like living with radiation -IS" (set 10 days ago)
 
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As it is written is ambiguous and is the source of all the arguing that goes on here and elsewhere. SCOTUS relied on experts in 18th century legal documents to unravel the meaning of the infamous comma that separates the first and second clauses of 2A. I am not arguing either side of what 2A means, but it is probably the worst written sentence in our Constitution.
It is only ambiguous because you want it to be.
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Old 08-08-2019, 08:30 PM
Status: "white culture is like living with radiation -IS" (set 10 days ago)
 
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EXTREME LEFT

Government takes over most private markets and industries, or
Elevation of labor unions to run the corporation
Slavery reparations
Wealth taxes to achieve full economic equality
Greenpeace

EXTREME RIGHT

Denying, resisting and thwarting the science of climate change
Denying the rise of white nationalist terrorism
Opposition to gay marriage
Hardcore NRA members. Arming teachers.
Returning to the Gold Standard
Abortion prohibiton even in cases of rape or incest

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What's not "extreme liberal": $15 living wage, affordable college, path to citizenship for DACA and universal healthcare. All of these were mainstream Democratic positions from the prior century.
Ha I was actually surprised by your moment of lucidity until the little P.S. at the end. Almost.
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Old 08-08-2019, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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There is nothing ambiguous about the 2nd. It says that the right of the people to keep and bear arms canít be taken away because the people may need to use those arms in defense of the country.
That is not the interpretation that I think you want because that interpretation does not give anyone the right to carry concealed weapons. This was the big result of the Heller case decided by SCOTUS, that 2A goes beyond the militia purpose and gave 2A an interpretation that was aligned with the individual, not the militia. That point was hotly debated until Heller.
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Old 08-08-2019, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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It is only ambiguous because you want it to be.
Not really. 2A was and is a subject of much debate by legal scholars. If it were so clearly written it wouldn't be debated so much. I am not trying to say any interpretation is right or wrong, just that it was horribly constructed. It is a mystery to me, and legal scholars, why the authors of the Constitution would word something so ambiguously. They were smart guys, they had to have known it would lead to arguments.
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Old 08-08-2019, 09:27 PM
 
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Extreme Left: Black people cannot be racist because they don't have the power
Extreme Right: White people are the most oppressed people in this country
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Old 08-08-2019, 09:49 PM
 
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What's not "extreme liberal": $15 living wage, affordable college, path to citizenship for DACA and universal healthcare. All of these were mainstream Democratic positions from the prior century.
path to citizenship was a Democratic position from the prior century? Universal healthcare maybe (in the 1930s), $15 living wage when adjusted for inflation, affordable college for sure but definitely not granting citizenship to children of illegal immigrants.
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Old 08-08-2019, 11:11 PM
 
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path to citizenship was a Democratic position from the prior century?
You're right, I should have said two centuries ago. The Statue of Liberty was built in 1875 and Ellis Island opened in 1892. Children of illegal immigrants got legal status under Ronald Reagan's 1987 version of DACA.

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Old 08-08-2019, 11:26 PM
 
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I can't agree. The left wants globalism to take out white America to institute an authoritarian state and to profit. The right wants globalism to profit and maintain or increase relative supreme class position over most of the population.
With money, race doesnít matter. For the elite, race only matters when the 99%.fight amongst one another..
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