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Old 08-11-2019, 03:08 PM
 
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Well, Iím telling you numbers based on memberships from several months ago when there was no reason to fudge them. Do you have any actual data on membership declining or just anecdotal observations?
No, an analysis of their financial statements certainly would back up my comment. At best, it is flat. It MAY have been at 5 million at some point, but I can tell you from doing it as a president of a now legitimate 25,000 member organization, that we always floated higher numbers, and many membership type organizations do, especially if they are dealing with governments, which we were.



Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...er-some-clues/

Also see the original source of that story:

https://projects.propublica.org/nonp...ions/530116130

The NRA has been claiming the same numbers for over 5 years. No organization stays the same, ever.
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Old 08-11-2019, 03:13 PM
 
Location: NJ
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And as a Trump supporter and actual voter I'm warning Trump to not bow down to the NRA. Trump said behind doors he support universal background checks. We will see what happens, but depending how Republicans handle this, if the Democratic candidate is Biden, I may switch sides. I would never support a far leftie, but I could do Biden in a pinch.
abandoning Trump is suicide for the 2nd amendment. No matter what Trump signs, is exponentially better than what we will get if a socialist democrat, house and senate is elected.


Be petty and lose it all.
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Old 08-11-2019, 11:46 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Because it will open a Pandora's box that the left wants to keep closed.

If you include mental illness in background checks, people will start demanding that the mentally ill be institutionalized the way they used to be.

After all.....

Why is someone who has been deemed to dangerous to own a firearm allowed to walk around free in public?

Same goes for criminals, convicted violent felons.......
Are you sure it is the left or is it the right or the NRA themselves? Easy to spread conjecture here.
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Old 08-12-2019, 06:27 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Thanks, interesting info. It’s nice to see some actual data instead of opinions. Regardless of funding level, they appear to have enough influence to still be recognized as the source of obstruction of government gun control efforts. It also still looks like revenues are at a high and contributions are at an all time high, up through 2017, which does miss the most recent interesting time period.

Do you know whether this data includes the NRA-ILA? I believe their finances are completely separate so as to avoid legal problems. For example, when I make a contribution to support legal efforts, I have to make the check out specifically to NRA-ILA, likewise politically oriented contributions go to the NRA-PVF, otherwise it goes to the NRA general fund (training, range development, competition sponsorship, etc.).


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No, an analysis of their financial statements certainly would back up my comment. At best, it is flat. It MAY have been at 5 million at some point, but I can tell you from doing it as a president of a now legitimate 25,000 member organization, that we always floated higher numbers, and many membership type organizations do, especially if they are dealing with governments, which we were.


Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...er-some-clues/

Also see the original source of that story:

https://projects.propublica.org/nonp...ions/530116130

The NRA has been claiming the same numbers for over 5 years. No organization stays the same, ever.

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Old 08-12-2019, 06:33 AM
 
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abandoning Trump is suicide for the 2nd amendment. No matter what Trump signs, is exponentially better than what we will get if a socialist democrat, house and senate is elected.


Be petty and lose it all.


Exactly.
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Old 08-12-2019, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Boston
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passing and signing background check legislation will help Trump. He'll pick off some more Democratic votes and Pubs will still vote for him. What's the alternative? Bernie? Liz? Kamala?

Win Win situation for Trump.
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Old 08-12-2019, 06:43 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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The first time the Mitch and the GOP stood up to Trump was to side with the NRA in opposition to reasonable background checks.
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Old 08-12-2019, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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So that's what it's come to. The organization that's becoming so hated, that consistently thwarts the will of the American people - they just lean on the president, the supposed leader of the free world. (I wonder if they ever called Obama.)



The will of the people? What about the millions of law abiding gun owners that are members of the NRA and the millions more that can thank them for standing up for their Second Amendment Rights.



The thing is if the Dems get their wish to ban the so called assault weapons it won't be long before they realize that there are far more powerful and deadly guns out there and those will be banned too.



Their focus is on AR15 type semi auto sporting rifles but the gun that kills the most are handguns.



The NRA is not this looming demon that likes to see dead people. The NRA is made up of good people that promote the safe use of firearms.



I wouldn't be so afraid of the NRA like the Left is and if I were Trump I would consider some type of gun safety measure be enacted such as the universal back ground check but if such a nation wide system was setup I would also like to see something done about people voting that have no Right to....


The NRA can warn Trump all it can but the alternative in a Dem is a disaster for them.
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Old 08-12-2019, 06:51 AM
 
Location: United States
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The first time the Mitch and the GOP stood up to Trump was to side with the NRA in opposition to reasonable background checks.
I have to ask, what is a "reasonable background check"?
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Old 08-12-2019, 06:56 AM
 
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I have to ask, what is a "reasonable background check"?

I'm curious as well. Also , what is the difference between a "universal" background check and the background checks we currently have ?
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