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Old Today, 09:17 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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T has a big, blustery mouth, but lets see what action he actually does. Him caving to the NRA not only doesn't look good, but it's gonna bite him in the butt down the line when another and another shooting happens and he's done nothing. I'd say ditto to Moscow Mitch, too.

I think it just shows him to be a typical "For Sale" politician and not the 'He's not the usual politician' we were promised. Just another 'pig in a poke' in the Washington swamp.
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Old Today, 09:46 AM
 
Location: southern california
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People keep posting saying this is the will of the people blah blah blah -it rarely is
The only thing that will stop a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun
Problem is everybody including ms13 is standing up shouting we are the good guys
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Old Today, 10:01 AM
 
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People keep posting saying this is the will of the people blah blah blah -it rarely is
The only thing that will stop a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun
Problem is everybody including ms13 is standing up shouting we are the good guys
And how does anyone involved in the chaos of a mass shooting know who the hell the good guy versus the bad guy is? They don't.

Your MS13 reference makes no sense.
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Old Today, 10:58 AM
 
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People keep posting saying this is the will of the people blah blah blah -it rarely is.

The only thing that will stop a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun

Problem is everybody including ms13 is standing up shouting we are the good guys
MYTH: The only thing that will stop a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun.

It’s a phrase we’ve all heard before—on the news or scrolling through Facebook feeds or on forums such as this one. It’s been circulating for at least seven years, ever since NRA's Wayne LaPierre first said the words at a news conference following Sandy Hook.

It appeals to a simplistic (if zero-sum) binary: good versus evil. As in any action movie worth its salt, there will always be a hero waiting to swoop in and save the day, killing the bad guy and getting the acclaim.

Life just isn't that simple folks. Take that tragedy in Dallas Texas about 3 years ago. A trained former military gunman ambushed a massive crowd, aiming for police among a group of protesters. The shooter crossed several blocks, eventually making a last stand in a building on a college campus. His movements made it impossible to determine the precise number of shooters. Meanwhile, at least 20 armed protesters on the ground added to the chaos and confusion.

Five police officers were killed, and nine others were injured, as were two civilians on the scene. In the end, it wasn’t even a gun that brought an end to the violence, but a bomb, aimed by a police robot at the lone gunman.

By the NRA’s standards, the last place a shooter should have succeeded in committing a massacre would be in a heavily armed crowd. However, the roughly 100 police officers present and myriad gun toting civilians were unable to stop the bad guy.

Following the shooting, many prominent Republican leaders who usually respond to mass shootings by wishing there had been more guns on the scene were conspicuously silent. In practice, the promised success of armed opposition to an active shooter once again proved more difficult than some might suppose.

So here we are, after these latest massacres and following shooting after shooting, the NRA peddling the same tired good-guy with a gun myth. Interestingly, NRA revenue rises following each successive mass shooting. In fact, following the Sandy Hook shooting, NRA profits increased by almost $100 million, and membership increased by hundreds of thousands, while firearms sales soared.

Armed police were on the scene in under a minute in the last mass shooting incident, in Dayton Ohio...by some reports within 30 seconds. “Think about that minute,” said Dayton Mayor Nan Whaley. “The shooter was able to kill nine people and injure 26 in less than a minute.”

The gun-permissiveness crowd wants us not to think about that minute. It puts the lie to the gun lobby’s claim that having armed people nearby when a mass killer strikes is all we need to keep us safe.

It is time, well overdue, to lay aside the NRA’s favorite axiom and start to focus on changing gun policy in these United States of America!

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Old Today, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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And as a Trump supporter and actual voter I'm warning Trump to not bow down to the NRA. Trump said behind doors he support universal background checks. We will see what happens, but depending how Republicans handle this, if the Democratic candidate is Biden, I may switch sides. I would never support a far leftie, but I could do Biden in a pinch.
These people that have a perverted sense of the second amendment and could care less about innocent people and children getting gunned down by lunatics need to crawl back under the rock they came from. The NRA is a gun lobby and the name of the game is profit. Gun sales spike after mass shootings. It's despicable, evil, and NRA needs to crawl under that rock with the rest of that deplorable mentality.

I am a gun owner and I support anything that keeps another innocent child from being murdered and keeps the guns out of those unfit to own them. Profit be damned. All lives matter.
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Old Today, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Back and Beyond
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It would be really hard to vote for trump if he signs "red flag" confiscation into law. I'm not sure I could stomach voting for the most anti 2nd amendment president ever. I'd probably just stay home. His silly bump stock ban was bad enough, but red flag confiscation is too much.

He must want to purposely lose the election if he does this, or he is gravely mistaken that the people who hate him will suddenly like and support him if he caves, which of course they won't.

I feel betrayed that this is even up for discussion. At least Democrats are upfront and honest with you that they want to take the guns.
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Old Today, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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The NRA supports wackos like the guy in El Paso being able to purchase an assault weapon- The NRA is wacko.
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Old Today, 12:05 PM
 
Location: United States
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The NRA supports wackos like the guy in El Paso being able to purchase an assault weapon- The NRA is wacko.
Actually, the NRA has called for mental illness records to be included in background checks.

So no, the NRA doesn't support wackos owning guns.
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Old Today, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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And how does anyone involved in the chaos of a mass shooting know who the hell the good guy versus the bad guy is? They don't.

Your MS13 reference makes no sense.
That question has gone unanswered
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Old Today, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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Actually, the NRA has called for mental illness records to be included in background checks.

So no, the NRA doesn't support wackos owning guns.
Anyone who wants to own an assualt weapon has a screw loose.
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