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Old Today, 10:58 AM
 
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge View Post
He's been charged with making a terroristic threat.

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According to Missouri law, making a terroristic threat is committing “the offense of making a terrorist threat in the second degree if he or she recklessly disregards the risk of causing the evacuation, quarantine or closure of any portion of a building, inhabitable structure, place of assembly or facility of transportation and knowingly.”
He will beat them in court.
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Old Today, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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This begs the question, "Why in the hell does anyone need an assault rifel to go to the grocery store? Is he afraid his pork chops are going to get rowdy and need to be diapatched...?"

And, before anyone starts, when the term "assault rifle" is used here, we ALL know exactly what we are talking about. The Germans created it to describe any military rifle, and Guns & Ammo popularized it in the 70s.

Well, I have to admit, it does get a little dangerous, going down the potato chip aisle. I avoid that area like the plague, some very unsavory characters hang out there !
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Old Today, 11:03 AM
 
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This begs the question, "Why in the hell does anyone need an assault rifel to go to the grocery store? Is he afraid his pork chops are going to get rowdy and need to be diapatched...?"

And, before anyone starts, when the term "assault rifle" is used here, we ALL know exactly what we are talking about. The Germans created it to describe any military rifle, and Guns & Ammo popularized it in the 70s.
He wasn't going there to shop. He wanted to draw attention to the fact that he could legally carry his loaded weapon into Walmart, but that Walmart's rules don't allow him to purchase ammo for that weapon. At least that is what I take from his Facebook post complaining about it. He wanted to provoke a reaction, but he didn't realize how much fear and panic his actions would cause in the wake of the El Paso shooting.
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Old Today, 11:05 AM
 
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He will beat them in court.
I don't think so. The building was evacuated because of his reckless behavior. That meets the definitions of the statute.
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Old Today, 11:13 AM
 
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Great example of a good guy with a gun being in the right place at the right time.
Missouri is a carry state. If the Walmart store wasn't legally posted to disallow guns in the store then what law was broken?

The "good guy" evidently was also "carrying" in Walmart or about to enter Walmart as a customer...again what was the difference? A guy with a concealed sidearm or a guy with a gun openly being carried? Why is one labeled differently in this scenario.

The original gun carrying guy was seen pushing a grocery cart with one hand and video recording with the other..so once again technically what law was broken except he was carrying a gun on private property that may have or was posted.

It's obvious the original gun carrying guy lacks common sense and his motivation remains to be revealed. This is an interesting scenario that brings about dialogue and debate. Wonder what the outcome will be and the laws interpreted and used to bring it to a conclusion.
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Old Today, 11:20 AM
 
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Missouri is a carry state. If the Walmart store wasn't legally posted to disallow guns in the store then what law was broken.

The "good guy" evidently was also "carrying" in Walmart or about to enter Walmart as a customer...again what was the difference? A guy with a concealed sidearm or a guy with a gun openly being carried? Why is one labeled differently in this scenario.

The original gun carrying guy was seen pushing a grocery cart with one hand and video recording with the other..so once again technically what law was broken except he was carrying a gun on private property that may have or was posted.
He had two weapons on him, 100 rounds of ammunition, body armor, and was dressed in military fatigues. That suggested a potential threat to the occupants of the building, which is why the manager ordered everyone to evacuate. He recklessly caused a building to evacuate, and that is a crime. It can be a serious misdemeanor, or it can be a low-level felony. That will be up to the prosecutor.
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Old Today, 11:20 AM
 
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Missouri is a carry state. If the Walmart store wasn't legally posted to disallow guns in the store then what law was broken?

The "good guy" evidently was also "carrying" in Walmart or about to enter Walmart as a customer...again what was the difference? A guy with a concealed sidearm or a guy with a gun openly being carried? Why is one labeled differently in this scenario.

The original gun carrying guy was seen pushing a grocery cart with one hand and video recording with the other..so once again technically what law was broken except he was carrying a gun on private property that may have or was posted.

It's obvious the original gun carrying guy lacks common sense and his motivation remains to be revealed. This is an interesting scenario that brings about dialogue and debate. Wonder what the outcome will be and the laws interpreted and used to bring it to a conclusion.
I see people in the local Walmart open carrying all the time. Perfectly legal In Missouri. Unless he made a threatening comment, he broke no law. And Walmarts here have no rules against carry.
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Old Today, 11:22 AM
 
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He had two weapons on him, 100 rounds of ammunition, body armor, and was dressed in military fatigues. That suggested a potential threat to the occupants of the building, which is why the manager ordered everyone to evacuate. He recklessly caused a building to evacuate, and that is a crime. It can be a serious misdemeanor, or it can be a low-level felony. That will be up to the prosecutor.
The people panicked, He did not break a law. Everything he did was legal.
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Old Today, 11:30 AM
 
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I see people in the local Walmart open carrying all the time. Perfectly legal In Missouri. Unless he made a threatening comment, he broke no law. And Walmarts here have no rules against carry.
Do the people you see open carrying all the time also wear full body armor and an extra 100 rounds of ammunition with them?

Your argument is based on the premise that what he did should not have scared anyone. But he did scare people, so much so that the store manager evacuated the building.

Recklessly causing an evacuation is a crime.
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Old Today, 11:32 AM
 
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The people panicked, He did not break a law. Everything he did was legal.
Except that it is not legal to scare people to the point that a building gets evacuated.

According to Missouri law, making a terroristic threat is committing “the offense of making a terrorist threat in the second degree if he or she recklessly disregards the risk of causing the evacuation, quarantine or closure of any portion of a building, inhabitable structure, place of assembly or facility of transportation and knowingly.
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