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Maybe many people would vote to acquit, but that is jury nullification. I would at least fine the so-called good guy. We can't have citizens doing "citizen's arrests" of people who are breaking no law. If I have a right to carry, anyone who challenges me with a weapon is infringing on my rights. If we don't like the laws that allow people to carry assault weapons everywhere we should quit passing them and repeal them.
You have a right to carry but not disturb the peace. As a gun owner and someone who carries, there are ways of doing it that disturbs the peace (arouse worry and anxiety) and ways that don't. It all comes down to common sense.
Sounds like to me this guy was doing a 2nd amendment "audit" where they push the bounds of these rights. He should be hit with disturbing the peace.
If I see you walking into Wal-Mart with an obvious gun bulge is that reason enough to do the same? I'm not sure what logic dictates he is any more of a threat than you.
If you see a gun bulge on me, that means I'm not concealing my weapon (it counts as covered but not concealed) and in my state, Florida, that is a felony.
But in states with open carry, there are ways to do that and those ways depend on the norms in your area. But carrying a rifle, with 100s of rounds of ammunition all visible - no way in hell I'm going to wait for him to kill someone to see if he has harmless intentions or not.
He's already established to be a nut. Whether he is a mass murdering nut or a gun audit nut is not something I'm waiting for him to prove.
You have a right to carry but not disturb the peace. As a gun owner and someone who carries, there are ways of doing it that disturbs the peace (arouse worry and anxiety) and ways that don't. It all comes down to common sense.
Sounds like to me this guy was doing a 2nd amendment "audit" where they push the bounds of these rights. He should be hit with disturbing the peace.
The 2nd Amendment has no restriction that gun carriers must be defer to whatever fears the public may get seeing them. If he did nothing other than carry the gun in, it's not disturbing the peace because shoppers over-reacted to the sight. That is not his problem. Now, if he said something or moved in some way, pointed the gun, sure. But just walking around. No way. It's the law. We must respect the law.
The 2nd Amendment has no restriction that gun carriers must be defer to whatever fears the public may get seeing them. If he did nothing other than carry the gun in, it's not disturbing the peace because shoppers over-reacted to the sight. That is not his problem. Now, if he said something or moved in some way, pointed the gun, sure. But just walking around. No way. It's the law. We must respect the law.
You can disturb the peace by just saying words.
Imagine someone walking into a wal-mart and saying allah ahkbar really loudly. Or doing this on a plane (with no guns). This is disturbing the peace even though taken individually, both things they did are protected by the constitution.
Stupid thing to do but since it is legal in Missouri to open carry it is likely that the guy did not break any laws. If he was "brandishing" the firearm as opposed to carrying it on a sling he is in legal trouble. If the store had a "guns prohibited" sign on the door then BOTH the idiot and the firefighter were equally guilty.
The Springfield Police Department arrived on scene within three minutes of the call. Police stated that a young white male, appearing to be in his twenties, pulled up to the Walmart, where he donned body armor and military fatigues. Police say the man had tactical weapons.
Police then say the man walked into the Walmart: Neighborhood Market where he grabbed a cart and began pushing it around the store. Police say the man was recording himself walking through the store via a cell phone.
The store manager at the Neighborhood Market pulled a fire alarm, urging people to escape the store.
Police say the man then made his way out an emergency exit where a former firefighter held the man at gunpoint. At that moment Springfield Police arrived on scene and detained the man.
The Springfield Police Department could not confirm the nature of statements said by the man to those inside of the Walmart, but they do confirm that the man had loaded weapons, and over one hundred rounds of ammunition.
Why the hell do you have to start your thread off like that?
Imagine someone walking into a wal-mart and saying allah ahkbar really loudly. Or doing this on a plane (with no guns). This is disturbing the peace even though taken individually, both things they did are protected by the constitution.
Yeah, but there is no report that I have seen that he said anything. Walking around with a gun is not disturbing the peace in and of itself. People in Missouri have that right under law. What is so hard about this? And hollering Allahu akbar is not a crime anywhere, anytime. It is an expression of religious devotion and nothing more. Like a Christian yelling Praise Jesus. There is no threat implied though some people might infer one. Those people are wrong and have no more right to jump the person who said it than the vigilante fireman who pulled a gun on a guy who was doing nothing illegal.
I know, these pesky rights! Just like a few Congresspeople calling for laws to ban negative speech against them. Go, Democrats!
Sounds like we agree. So why are other people here so upset, saying they would have shot him? If it means that some snowflakes feel threatened, they should just stay away from Wal Marts. Or grow a pair and arm themselves.
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