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Old 08-09-2019, 09:40 AM
 
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What a tragedy on so many levels. An elderly husband and wife died in an apparent murder-suicide in Washington state on August 7th. A 77-year-old man called 911 on Wednesday morning saying he planned to die by suicide. Despite attempts by crisis negotiators to stop it, the couple went through with it. Deputies found several notes throughout the home in which the couple expressed despair over high medical bills. If the couple couldn't afford their current medical bills, they would not have been able to afford psychiatric care also. I'm sure other factors contributed to their demise, but financial stresses certainly didn't help.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...about-n1040691
The legacy of Obamacare.
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Old 08-09-2019, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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Sad unfortunately stress over money issues can lead to suicide. Remember in 2010 the year when there was no death tax and people committed suicide before the end of the year so their family would lose the money when estate taxes came back in 2011. I wonder how many people did this during the great recession when they lost everything. I know this Post is supposed to lead to an argument over Medical Care for all(not something i am necessarily against) but we can't help everyone with everything to prevent tragedies like this.
I don't see how this incident advances the medicare for all argument, since presumably this elderly couple already had medicare...
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Old 08-09-2019, 09:42 AM
 
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Well, IF you really want to bring Trump into the conversation it'd be more appropriate to the subject of healthcare costs to bring up the FACT that he promised time after time after time that he would put a "far better than the ACA" plan in place soon after taking office and has utterly failed to any such thing.
So ACA is the failure we all knew it was. Thanks for confirming that.
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Old 08-09-2019, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The article also does not mention what the "severe medical issues" were. Maybe not wanting to put up with them any longer was a big contributor to their decision
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Old 08-09-2019, 09:46 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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The legacy of Obamacare.
Not even close.

These people were on Medicare when Bush was still in office. Obamacare was not about Medicare nor was it about the supplemental plans or lack thereof.

USA the land where big pharma and big hospitals own congress.
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Old 08-09-2019, 09:46 AM
 
Location: SGV
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Not necessarily.

Remember, this was an elderly couple in their late 70's, and they were from a generation in which many, if not most people, considered it shameful to not be able to pay one's bills and just as shameful to apply for any kind of "welfare" or "charity". (I am 65, and I also feel that way to a very large extent.)
I feel bad for older folks because you are correct...this is their mindset. A good deal of them anyway.

They see recollecting money that was stolen from them at gunpoint as immoral. I blame the State indoctrination centers for that mindset.
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Old 08-09-2019, 09:47 AM
 
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Not even close.

These people were on Medicare when Bush was still in office. Obamacare was not about Medicare nor was it about the supplemental plans or lack thereof.

USA the land where big pharma and big hospitals own congress.
Should have planned for the future. Not society’s position for those who don’t plan properly.
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Old 08-09-2019, 09:51 AM
 
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That's what they SAY, but I'm retired and we take care to keep ourselves well insured. It's not that expensive.

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"Expensive" is relative.

From the link below (my italics): "The average retiree spends $4,300 on out-of-pocket healthcare expenses each year, according to the Center for Retirement Research at Boston College. Given that the average Social Security recipient collects just under $17,000 a year in benefits, that's a large chunk of that income to be spending." [end quote]

https://www.fool.com/retirement/2018...healthcar.aspx

And, again, the $17,000 is what the average retiree receives, and many receive less than that -- and yet the medical costs aren't less just because one's income is less (unless one qualifies for Medicaid, I think).
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Old 08-09-2019, 09:54 AM
 
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Should have planned for the future. Not society’s position for those who don’t plan properly.
I am not a very compassionate person compared to most people, I think, but compared to people who think as you do . . .
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Old 08-09-2019, 09:57 AM
 
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Two people freely took their own lives?

And the controversy here is...?

Maybe they wouldn't have if they hadn't had worries about their medical bills?
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