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Old 08-09-2019, 07:40 PM
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To remind you, Trump removed this law requiring such checks. He has to get at least some of the blame for firearms getting into the mentally ill hands due to his own signing of the bill to remove such people.

This goes against even mainstream conservative positions on gun checks.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...mental-n727221


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Feb. 28, 2017, 7:36 PM CST / Updated Feb. 28, 2017, 7:39 PM CST
By Ali Vitali

President Donald Trump quietly signed a bill into law Tuesday rolling back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun.

The rule, which was finalized in December, added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database.

Had the rule fully taken effect, the Obama administration predicted it would have added about 75,000 names to that database.

President Barack Obama recommended the now-nullified regulation in a 2013 memo following the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, which left 20 first graders and six others dead. The measure sought to block some people with severe mental health problems from buying guns.

Related: Assault Weapons Not Protected by Second Amendment, Federal Appeals Court Rules

The original rule was hotly contested by gun rights advocates who said it infringed on Americansí Second Amendment rights. Gun control advocates, however, praised the rule for curbing the availability of firearms to those who may not use them with the right intentions.
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Old 08-09-2019, 07:43 PM
 
Location: United States
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Very misleading.

What was removed was policies that would deny people that had someone managing their Social Security accounts from owning firearms.

There is no opposition from gun owners, or the NRA to include mental heath records in background checks.

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Old 08-09-2019, 07:56 PM
 
Location: California
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Young people with mysterious mental illnesses on psych drugs who are loners and have problems making friends and spend a lot of time online should probably be red flagged. Needing help managing your finances when your a senior citizen not so much.
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Old 08-09-2019, 07:58 PM
 
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Very misleading.

What was removed was policies that would deny people that had someone managing their Social Security accounts from owning firearms.

There is no opposition from gun owners, or the NRA to include mental heath records from background checks.
kudos for shooting down this tired blather almost instantaneously.
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Old 08-09-2019, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Very misleading.

What was removed was policies that would deny people that had someone managing their Social Security accounts from owning firearms.

There is no opposition from gun owners, or the NRA to include mental heath records in background checks.
Just more fake news, fear mongering, and hate from the left.
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Old 08-09-2019, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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To remind you, Trump removed this law requiring such checks. He has to get at least some of the blame for firearms getting into the mentally ill hands due to his own signing of the bill to remove such people.

This goes against even mainstream conservative positions on gun checks.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...mental-n727221
After Parkland, Trump found himself in the same position that Obama had- a compulsion to “ do something” in absence of Congress. So, Obama signed an EO adding Social Security ( SSDI and SDI files)
to the database limited to those who had been determined unable to manage their affairs. Should such a person attempt to buy a firearm, they would be flagged. An appeal process was also created.

Some Conservative media, including Fox News, chose to communicate Obama’s EO prevented anyone receiving a Social Security benefit from buying a firearm.

While the action strikes me as reasonable, none of the sensational mass shooters had been declared mentally deficient. Trump reversed the EO. For Trump to say a peep about mentally ill is , nothing more than anNRA talking point and hypocritical.

Fast forward to Trump within days of Parkland. He compelled his Admin to write a new rule banning bump-stocks even though a bump stock had not been used during the Parkland school shooting. It is being challenged in the courts. Who knows if it will stand.

The ability of any POTUS to do anything about firearms independent of Congress is very limited, regardless of rhetoric.
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Old 08-09-2019, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Very misleading.

What was removed was policies that would deny people that had someone managing their Social Security accounts from owning firearms.

There is no opposition from gun owners, or the NRA to include mental heath records in background checks.
The Obama rule change targeted those Social Security recipients who had been deemed unable to manage their affairs due to subnormal intelligence or mental illness or mental incompetency, condition or disease. It also defined an appeal process.

It most certainly was not limited to seniors. It targeted those receiving disability income. This did not stop many news outlets, including Fox News and Limbaugh, from telling their audiences Obama was going to ban all seniors from buying firearms.

Trump reversed this rule by EO.

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Old 08-09-2019, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Young people with mysterious mental illnesses on psych drugs who are loners and have problems making friends and spend a lot of time online should probably be red flagged. Needing help managing your finances when your a senior citizen not so much.
Most mentally ill people do not seek professional help because they don’t perceive they have a problem.

What is “ mysterious mental illness”?

Most mass shooters did not test for positive for psych drugs.

The world is full of loners and people who have problems making friends and most do not engage in mass shootings.

Internet forums/ chat groups are comprised of anonymous people.

You seem to be repeating the fake news that Obama targeted seniors who don’t manage their own finances.

Millions of people of ALL ages receive disability benefits from Social Security due to subnormal intelligence, mental illness mental incompetency including disease. No one can be forced to take medications.
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Old 08-09-2019, 08:58 PM
 
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To remind you, Trump removed this law requiring such checks. He has to get at least some of the blame for firearms getting into the mentally ill hands due to his own signing of the bill to remove such people.

This goes against even mainstream conservative positions on gun checks.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...mental-n727221
HIPAA prohibits it.
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Old 08-09-2019, 09:03 PM
 
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There is absolutely no doubt that since Columbine, there have been mass shootings where the mental health of the perpetrator was a primary issue. Health care is a human right, and access to mental health care is equally as important as physical health. The lack of mental health services for youth, for veterans, and for all represents a serious private and public health concern within the U.S.

Although important, the focus on mental health problems as a single cause for the mass shooting crisis in America deflects from serious discussions of the common denominator—guns. If we frame the issue as one of mental health or exposure to violence, we delay actions related to addressing the primary tool of these assaults—guns.
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