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Old Today, 05:44 PM
 
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First off you realize the people in the middle east and north Africa in antiquity are not genetically exactly the same people there in more modern times right? Lots of admixing and natural selection has went on since. What's happened in the last 500-600 years is the most significant genetically to the people and descendants today.

It's illogical because almost all advances came from Europe from at least 1400 onward. If supposedly else where other cultures were always way ahead why would they come to a relative stand still to be eclipsed?
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Old Today, 05:46 PM
 
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How is it illogical?
The same way it's illogical to say Albert Einstein has the same genes as everyone else because he didn't come up with his GR at 2. Think about that some more, let it sink in some.
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Old Today, 05:49 PM
 
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First off you realize the people in the middle east and north Africa in antiquity are not genetically exactly the same people there in more modern times right? Lots of admixing and natural selection has went on since. What's happened in the last 500-600 years is the most significant genetically to the people and descendants today.

It's illogical because almost all advances came from Europe from at least 1400 onward. If supposedly else where other cultures were always way ahead why would they come to a relative stand still to be eclipsed?
Beyond that, Europeans are a younger civilization. Prior to 10,000 years ago, we were middle easterners. We settled Europe something like 20,000-10,000 years ago. It takes a certain threshold of population density to create civilization. The middle east had a head start on us, but we caught up, and exceeded them in a way that is not bridgeable.
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Meanwhile this is what the genetically more intelligent race was building during the same time
So you DO. believe certain races are smarter than others.
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Old Today, 06:05 PM
 
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Beyond that, Europeans are a younger civilization. Prior to 10,000 years ago, we were middle easterners. We settled Europe something like 20,000-10,000 years ago. It takes a certain threshold of population density to create civilization. The middle east had a head start on us, but we caught up, and exceeded them in a way that is not bridgeable.
It's just common sense it very hard to survive in a climate and geography like Europe with the technology of antiquity, let alone for the population to grow. Not until the harrow plow in the middle ages could the heavier soil in Europe be plowed. Just because they didn't have huge populations gathering in city like Rome in northern Europe at the time, doesn't mean they didn't have culture, civilization or intelligence.

Europeans have been moving in and out of northern Europe for at least 40k years, and only over the last 20-15k would the climate allow for them to repopulate NW Europe. They had to seek refuge in the southern parts and near East.

It's not unlike in the Americas, pre-Columbian. Eskimos and American Indians are demonstrable more intelligent than Indio further south yet most of the "civilization" and large population was in the south, Mayan, Aztec, Inca etc.
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Old Today, 06:11 PM
 
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So you DO. believe certain races are smarter than others.
Good catch. That poster wants to look back 7000 years that's foggy, but ignore the last 600 years that's clear and much more relevant genetically to the people living today.
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I wouldn't be so sure about that.

World Map 1550



Aside from New World; European influence in Asia, Africa and the Middle East was non existent. Also the economy of Europe was a mere fraction of the size of those compared to India and China.
Your own maps prove what I said.
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Good catch. That poster wants to look back 7000 years that's foggy, but ignore the last 600 years that's clear and much more relevant gethe netically to the people living today.
The Left is the side spreading hate today - hatred (and ageism) of "old white men" and Anglos. In general.

They fiercely deny it, but they display it regularly in America today.
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The two largest empires on earth in the year 1519 were the Ming Dynasty in China and the Ottoman Empire.

The most powerful person on earth in 1519 in terms of influence was Suleiman the Magnificent or Emperor Jiajing.
The Ming Dynasty had turned in on itself. And the Ottoman Empire was defeated by the European armies time after time. Neither were expanding to the rest of the world like Europe. In fact, by the early 1500s, Europe's ships had reached China, Japan and had gone all over India. Europe was global, the rest weren't.
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First off you realize the people in the middle east and north Africa in antiquity are not genetically exactly the same people in modern times right? Lots of admixing and natural selection has went on since. What's happened in the last 500-600 years is the most significant genetically to the people and descendants today.
Here is a link to a study comparing the DNA taken from an Ancient Eyptian mummy compared to the modern DNA from individuals the closest town over.



https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694:

I will post its summary

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The ancient DNA data revealed a high level of affinity between the ancient inhabitants of Abusir el-Meleq and modern populations from the Near East and the Levant.
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Our genetic time transect suggests genetic continuity between the Pre-Ptolemaic, Ptolemaic and Roman populations of Abusir el-Meleq, indicating that foreign rule impacted the town’s population only to a very limited degree at the genetic level.
Essentially modern Egyptians and ancient Egyptians are extremely close genetically.

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It's illogical because almost all advances came from Europe from at least 1400 onward. If supposedly else where other cultures were always way ahead why would they come to a relative stand still to be eclipsed?
Because outside forces have an impact on a civilizations continual history. Examine what as happening in the period before 1400 and it will reveal itself. What was the major event that occurred in the prior time period? China, India, Russia and the Middle East were getting run over from tribes from central Asia. Not to mention an endless stream of civil wars and internal conflict. All of which destroyed cities, libraries the various other means needed to invent things. People don't dream up new stuff when they are being butchered and their homes destroyed. Guess what region wasn't getting invaded constantly during this time period? Western Europe. Isn't it a interesting that the 4 big powers to emerge from the Middle Ages were all the most western European nations? England, France, Spain and Portugal.
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