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Old Yesterday, 06:24 PM
 
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Here is a link to a study comparing the DNA taken from an Ancient Eyptian mummy compared to the modern DNA from individuals the closest town over.



https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694:

I will post its summary





Essentially modern Egyptians and ancient Egyptians are extremely close genetically.



Because outside forces have an impact on a civilizations continual history. Examine what as happening in the period before 1400 and it will reveal itself. What was the major event that occurred in the prior time period? China, India, Russia and the Middle East were getting run over from tribes from central Asia. Not to mention an endless stream of civil wars and internal conflict. All of which destroyed cities, libraries the various other means needed to invent things. People don't dream up new stuff when they are being butchered and their homes destroyed. Guess what region wasn't getting invaded constantly during this time period? Western Europe. Isn't it a interesting that the 4 big powers to emerge from the Middle Ages were all the most western European nations? England, France, Spain and Portugal.
I'm not going to go through all that but the summary you quoted did not say modern Egyptians and ancient Egyptians are extremely close genetically.

And it only took a moment to find a link refuting your claim.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/30/1...cing-near-east

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Scientists have extracted and analyzed DNA from mummies that are thousands of years old, and they have found that the ancient Egyptians are actually more genetically similar to people living today in the Near East ó countries like Israel, Lebanon, and Syria ó than modern-day Egyptians.
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Old Yesterday, 06:30 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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The Ming Dynasty had turned in on itself. And the Ottoman Empire was defeated by the European armies time after time.
They weren't, which is why they kept expanding long after the year 1520.



They were not fully stopped until 1680. Also it was in the 15th century that their naval victories at the Battle of Preveza in 1538 and the Battle of Djerba in 1560 gave them total naval domination over the whole of the Mediterranean ocean. Why do think Spain, Portugal wanted to go around the world to Asia? Because they had no access through the Mediterranean. The Ottomans controlled the Western half of the silk road thus dominating trade with India and China. Europe wasn't attempting to forge ahead, at this time they were simple trying to catch up.
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Old Yesterday, 06:33 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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I'm not going to go through all that but the summary you quoted did not say modern Egyptians and ancient Egyptians are extremely close genetically.

And it only took a moment to find a link refuting your claim.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/30/1...cing-near-east
From the article you posted

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it turns out that, on a genetic level, the ancient Egyptians arenít so different from modern people living in the Near East. In fact, they have more in common with those in the Near East than todayís Egyptians. For example, the mummies didnít have any DNA from sub-Saharan Africa, whereas about 20 percent of todayís Egyptians have sub-Saharan genes.
You were claiming the opposite.
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Old Yesterday, 06:39 PM
 
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From the article you posted



You were claiming the opposite.
No I claimed that people from antiquity in civilization like Egypt are not necessarily the same genetically to the people there today, and that's exactly the case here. Turns out they're closest to those in the near East bordering on European and quite different from the admixed and natural selection backwater people common in Egypt today.
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Old Yesterday, 06:41 PM
 
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So you DO. believe certain races are smarter than others.
No I don't...I was just mocking you guys....
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Old Yesterday, 06:45 PM
 
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No I claimed that people from antiquity in civilization like Egypt are not necessarily the same genetically to the people there today, and that's exactly the case here. Turns out they're closest to those in the near East bordering on European and quite different from the admixed and natural selection backwater people common in Egypt today.
LOL, your own articles mentions that they are closest to the people of the Levant, i.e Palestinians, Jordanians, Lebanese, i.e Semitic peoples. Where are you getting European from? Also it mentions that that the genetic difference between the Ancient and Modern Egyptians has to do with the 20% of Egyptians with Sub Saharan DNA. That means it pairs very closely with the 80% that don't. If you are gonna post an article at least read it first.

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Old Yesterday, 06:46 PM
 
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No I don't...I was just mocking you guys....
Sure.

In history, who has done more to end slavery?
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Old Yesterday, 06:54 PM
 
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LOL, your own articles mentions that they are closest to the people of the Levant, i.e Palestinians, Jordanians, Lebanese, i.e Semitic peoples. Where are you getting European from? Also it mentions that that the genetic difference between the Ancient and Modern Egyptians has to do with the 20% of Egyptians with Sub Saharan DNA. That means it pairs very closely with the 80% that don't. If you are gonna post and article at least read it first.
There's no point in having a discussion with you. You are not dealing in truth and facts as you portend. You won't even accept the fact that Europeans today have a higher median intelligence and more achievement than the middle east and basically every where else. So what is the point in discussing what people might've been 1000s of years ago? I can admit east Asians and Ashkenazi Jews are probably somewhat more intelligent than Europeans but you can't accept anything positive about Europeans.
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Old Yesterday, 07:07 PM
 
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Sure.

In history, who has done more to end slavery?
James Watt.
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Old Yesterday, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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"White supremacy" only exists as a concept because the last 500 years of history have been dominated by Europeans. How did that come about?

There is the geography theory, as espoused by Guns, Germs, and Steel. The northern European plain is the nearest large agricultural region to the cradle of civilization, so the theory goes it was bound to become dominant. I generally don't buy this, because China and India were actually more prosperous until about 1500, so why did the geography hand dealt take so long to be played?

There are genetic theories, mostly garbage since genetic diversity within the Homo sapiens out-of-Africa group is small compared to hominid diversity, and yet only one part of this group became Europeans. Also a genetic advantage would have again not waited until 1500 to take hold.

More plausibly, the development of the scientific method is easily shown to be an antecedent of most of Europe's modern advantages, and the scientific method was developed around 1500. That raises the further question of why Europe developed the scientific method, which Christian and classical apologists have played with for quite some time. I think the classicists have more to work with, which raises the question why the ancient Greeks were so advanced. This is a bit of a rabbit hole.

Most compelling to me is the European discovery of the new world. It happened around 1500 as well, and produced fabulous riches for Europeans, as well as acting as a population pressure release valve. I don't think any other civilization has had such a stroke of good fortune befall them as a discovery which triples the amount of land available to you. As to why Europeans were pressed to explore and others weren't, we know the reason is the exorbitant cost of the spice trade as exacted by middle Eastern and Mediterranean middlemen. And the Chinese voyages of exploration were abandoned for petty reasons with world-historical implications.
Probably they learned Arabic and read about what the Islamic world had been up to for the previous 500 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._Islamic_world

BTW - The Europeans stole the "New World" from its rightful owners, who had been living in it for 40,000 years. It was only new to white men.
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