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Old 08-20-2019, 06:45 PM
 
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I think the usa started the whole genetics eugenics thing. The Nazis trained in america
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Old 08-20-2019, 07:10 PM
 
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The actual foundation of America was built on the backs of Africans so WE have more of a right to this land than ANY other racial/ethnic group with the exception being indigenous Americans.
A most dubious claim. Not at all true:

https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/...-build-america
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Old 08-20-2019, 07:23 PM
 
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"White supremacy" only exists as a concept because the last 500 years of history have been dominated by Europeans. How did that come about?

There is the geography theory, as espoused by Guns, Germs, and Steel. The northern European plain is the nearest large agricultural region to the cradle of civilization, so the theory goes it was bound to become dominant. I generally don't buy this, because China and India were actually more prosperous until about 1500, so why did the geography hand dealt take so long to be played?

There are genetic theories, mostly garbage since genetic diversity within the Homo sapiens out-of-Africa group is small compared to hominid diversity, and yet only one part of this group became Europeans. Also a genetic advantage would have again not waited until 1500 to take hold.

More plausibly, the development of the scientific method is easily shown to be an antecedent of most of Europe's modern advantages, and the scientific method was developed around 1500. That raises the further question of why Europe developed the scientific method, which Christian and classical apologists have played with for quite some time. I think the classicists have more to work with, which raises the question why the ancient Greeks were so advanced. This is a bit of a rabbit hole.

Most compelling to me is the European discovery of the new world. It happened around 1500 as well, and produced fabulous riches for Europeans, as well as acting as a population pressure release valve. I don't think any other civilization has had such a stroke of good fortune befall them as a discovery which triples the amount of land available to you. As to why Europeans were pressed to explore and others weren't, we know the reason is the exorbitant cost of the spice trade as exacted by middle Eastern and Mediterranean middlemen. And the Chinese voyages of exploration were abandoned for petty reasons with world-historical implications.
The Ming Chinese did not abandon ocean voyages for petty reasons. It had everything to do with the fact that China had no need for the exotics of foreign lands, and given the wealth of the country at that time, it was true. Also, the mongols were fidgeting at the northern border and the Ming had to divert resources to defend the Great Wall. The oceanic voyages just did not fit into china’s economic, military and political imperatives. So the reasons are hardly petty. As well, traveling by ships are looting and pillaging other holds just wasn’t the chinese way of going things. The European explorers like vasco da gama and Cabral and even Columbus were just thug pirates in nicer clothing driven by personal greed more than anything else. Conquerors like Cortes and Pizarro prove that the Europeans were just thugs.
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Old 08-20-2019, 07:37 PM
 
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America NEVER would have or could have become what it is without enslaved African labor.


....and I am not clicking on your Alt-Right link.


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A most dubious claim. Not at all true:

https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/...-build-america
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Old 08-20-2019, 07:53 PM
 
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America NEVER would have or could have become what it is without enslaved African labor.


....and I am not clicking on your Alt-Right link.
I'm from Minnesota. Speak for yourself.
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Old 08-20-2019, 07:56 PM
 
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America NEVER would have or could have become what it is without enslaved African labor.

Yep, that's right! That's why America hasn't advanced one iota since 1863! #sarcoff
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Old 08-20-2019, 07:58 PM
 
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The European explorers like vasco da gama and Cabral and even Columbus were just thug pirates in nicer clothing driven by personal greed more than anything else. Conquerors like Cortes and Pizarro prove that the Europeans were just thugs.

Now THAT'S a distinct view on history!
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Old 08-20-2019, 09:07 PM
 
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I think the usa started the whole genetics eugenics thing. The Nazis trained in america
Nothing wrong with eugenics, it's better than dysgenic policies, but like many things it's all in how you go about it.
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Old 08-20-2019, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Japan
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Nothing wrong with eugenics, it's better than dysgenic policies, but like many things it's all in how you go about it.
For most people "eugenics" is just a bogeyman word. They don't even know what it means.
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Old 08-20-2019, 10:01 PM
 
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For most people "eugenics" is just a bogeyman word. They don't even know what it means.
Don't want to date people who are overweight and dumb?

You're practicing eugenics!
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