U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 08-11-2019, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
9,181 posts, read 2,814,740 times
Reputation: 7036

Advertisements

As I said, it wasn't the only factor. Perhaps the misfortune of expanding largely to desert areas held Islam back some.

That said, I'm not sure that in 1500 one could say that Islamic civilization was at least, or more, advanced than Christian civilization. To be sure they had their advancements, but I'd say by that time Christianity was already ahead. Though, Christianity had a ~600 year head start as well.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 08-11-2019, 02:51 PM
 
12,669 posts, read 3,966,121 times
Reputation: 3832
Quote:
Originally Posted by James Bond 007 View Post
As I said, it wasn't the only factor. Perhaps the misfortune of expanding largely to desert areas held Islam back some.

That said, I'm not sure that in 1500 one could say that Islamic civilization was at least, or more, advanced than Christian civilization. To be sure they had their advancements, but I'd say by that time Christianity was already ahead. Though, Christianity had a ~600 year head start as well.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. The Christian West seemed to be mostly on par with or ahead of Islamics way before 1500 having stopped and halted the Islamic invasion into western Europe for the most part in the 700s.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-11-2019, 03:28 PM
Status: "but it depends on what the definition of "is" is." (set 13 days ago)
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
3,607 posts, read 643,160 times
Reputation: 1141
There was a book about this called After Tamerlane by a Brit historian from about a year or two ago. The author does argue that the Islamic, Christian, (and far East) worlds were on a par in terms of commerce and technology until about 1500 (Tamerlane was a Muslim warlord from about 1400).

The Chinese had voyaged as far as East Africa around 1400, but stopped exploring due to isolationism. One point made by the author is that Europe's coastline is one peninsula after another from top to bottom. This facilitated sea travel which in turn led to exploration.

My pet theory is that the big factor was the individualism of Judaic thought from the time of Ezekiel. This was then reinforced by 'ye must be born again' (John 3:7) which underscored the primacy of free will and individual choice. In other cultures/civilizations the individual was always subsumed by the group.

Last edited by travis t; 08-11-2019 at 04:57 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-11-2019, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Japan
10,946 posts, read 4,513,826 times
Reputation: 7026
Quote:
Originally Posted by dude5568 View Post
I'm bewildered...
Quote:
Originally Posted by dude5568 View Post
Show me the part of human DNA where the " White genes " reside and I'll concur .
I suspect you actually do know something about this topic but are striking an ignorant pose here. Do you think pretending not to understand how humans can be grouped biologically is... cool?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-12-2019, 04:42 PM
 
143 posts, read 95,235 times
Reputation: 169
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dark Enlightenment View Post
I suspect you actually do know something about this topic but are striking an ignorant pose here. Do you think pretending not to understand how humans can be grouped biologically is... cool?
OK. Let's start .

Question 1 - define race ?

Your turn .
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-12-2019, 04:44 PM
 
143 posts, read 95,235 times
Reputation: 169
Quote:
Originally Posted by mtl1 View Post
It's in the particular arrangement of the autosomal DNA mostly. Every ancestry DNA test shows you this. Are you a science denier?
Autosomal DNA ...? Please stop now and save yourself more embarrassment .
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-12-2019, 05:02 PM
 
1,665 posts, read 432,194 times
Reputation: 2075
More advanced? In what way? I donít consider modern technology to be the ultimate advancement of homo sapiens. Itís better to be connected to the Universe and not Verizon.

As far as Europe goes, by the 1500ís natural resources in Europe were depleted. If there was not the fortuitous discovery of the Americaís, Europeans would have reverted back to the Middle Ages.

China and MesoAmerica would be the dominant civilizations now.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-12-2019, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Japan
10,946 posts, read 4,513,826 times
Reputation: 7026
Quote:
Originally Posted by dude5568 View Post
OK. Let's start .

Question 1 - define race ?

Your turn .
A race is a group of persons related by common descent, a large, partly-inbred extended family.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-12-2019, 05:49 PM
 
143 posts, read 95,235 times
Reputation: 169
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dark Enlightenment View Post
A race is a group of persons related by common descent, a large, partly-inbred extended family.
Good job . You mean as in Homo sapiens i.e humans .

Question 2 - How many races do you think exist in the world and what common descents ( respectively ) do all these races have ?

Last edited by dude5568; 08-12-2019 at 06:17 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-12-2019, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Japan
10,946 posts, read 4,513,826 times
Reputation: 7026
Quote:
Originally Posted by dude5568 View Post
Good job .

Question 2 - How many races do you think exist in the world and what common descents ( respectively ) do all these races have ?
Seems like you don't understand the term "common descent". It simply means having ancestors in common.

Trying to stick with the topic of the thread... Europeans, for instance, share more common ancestry with each other than they do with non-Europeans, so they can be called a "race" (or population group, or whatever term you prefer). The same might be said of Englishmen, or Swedes. They could be called races as well, or just subsets of the European race. Our traditional "social construct" ideas about this line up pretty well with recent data about genetic clusters.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply

Quick Reply


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top