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Old Yesterday, 06:14 PM
 
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Autosomal DNA ...? Please stop now and save yourself more embarrassment .
Care to elaborate? Are you trying to say groups having more matching DNA markers are not more related?
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Old Yesterday, 06:19 PM
 
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Care to elaborate? Are you trying to say groups having more matching DNA markers are not more related?
I don't think he knows what autosomal DNA is.
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Old Yesterday, 06:22 PM
 
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The quickest answer to the OP....is gunpowder and trade...trade brought gunpowder from the Orient to Europe...and right at about the same time Corporations were forming and building ships (these projects were too large for the individual).....

The growth from there, as anyone who looks at history knows, was due to colonialism, conquest, enslavement.....using that gunpowder. The Corporate structure had everything to do with why the Dutch and Brits expanded so quickly...

Resources and energy beget more resources and energy.....that is, wood ships can go get more wood and go get slaves and metal and everything else.....

1600 was the start of the Dutch East India Company which pretty much conquered the world....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_East_India_Company

"It was influential in the rise of corporate-led globalisation in the early modern period."
"had effectively transformed itself from a corporate entity into a state or an empire in its own right"

History nuts will remember that New York was founded by the Dutch.....

As far as "white supremacy, my guess is that the Finns of that time as well as 99% of Russians were in thatch huts with fishing or small scale farming being their sources of survival. Tens of millions of Whites in Russia, Poland and elsewhere stayed that way...some up until 100 years ago or even more recently...even when the Germans invaded Russia in 1942 they were appalled that entire villages were nothing but mud, wood boards and thatch. Nothing close to what Coastal or River-based Europe had seen.

What always seems to not be mentioned in this thread is that 99% of Whites in Europe lived a miserable existence....up until perhaps the 1700's. Even then, many still did. Depending on where you drop your thumbtack, there are large populations of whites who never got anywhere (in terms of advancement).....right up to almost the modern day.

The story of humans is largely the story of energy...whether human energy (slaves) or, more recently, wood....than coal...than oil...and even water and wind (Dutch). Energy creates more food and cooks it....better diets then both expand the brain and body and then allow TIME to sit around and come up with innovations (Greeks, Romans, etc.)....

The Egyptians really, IMHO, outclassed anyone before and since in terms of what they accomplished given the situation. I don't think most Europeans could have built the Pyramids even 2,000 years later..except for the Greeks and Romans.
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Old Yesterday, 06:26 PM
 
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There's only four great inventions?
Lists are always subjective but printing, the compass, gun powder, etc are always on the lists of most important inventions of human civilization.
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Old Yesterday, 06:35 PM
 
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I have heard theories that say the fact that winters are cold and harsh in Europe created races of people that were clever enough to survive and thrive in it, and therefore clever enough to do a lot of other things. Natural selection of sorts.
Why are Indians (Asians) and Chinese and Taiwanese and Japanese so much smarter than, for example, Western Russians?

It's not cold in India. It wasn't cold in Greece....wasn't cold in Rome and the aqueducts beat most engineering projects for many centuries.

I've also considered the "cold" scenario....but, remember, the Germans were the "barbarians" when we discuss Rome being finally taken down...in civilization.

There needs to be a formula...one that most White Suprematists don't subscribe to. That is "you didn't build that". It takes a full support structure of government, taxes, metal and stone workers, farm workers and others to make it so that an innovator or other experimenter can stop working long enough to get something done.
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Old Yesterday, 06:35 PM
 
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Yes, but China has not invented anything of note in the modern world, say over the last 150 years. And, out of her 1.35 billion population, a billion Chinese still live in total economic degradation.
Can you cite a source? Because according to this only 1.7% of Chinese live below the nati9nslpoverty
One as of 2015. https://news.cgtn.com/news/3d3d414d3...d54/index.html
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Old Yesterday, 06:39 PM
 
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The quickest answer to the OP....is gunpowder and trade...trade brought gunpowder from the Orient to Europe...and right at about the same time Corporations were forming and building ships (these projects were too large for the individual).....

The growth from there, as anyone who looks at history knows, was due to colonialism, conquest, enslavement.....using that gunpowder. The Corporate structure had everything to do with why the Dutch and Brits expanded so quickly...

Resources and energy beget more resources and energy.....that is, wood ships can go get more wood and go get slaves and metal and everything else.....

1600 was the start of the Dutch East India Company which pretty much conquered the world....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_East_India_Company

"It was influential in the rise of corporate-led globalisation in the early modern period."
"had effectively transformed itself from a corporate entity into a state or an empire in its own right"

History nuts will remember that New York was founded by the Dutch.....

As far as "white supremacy, my guess is that the Finns of that time as well as 99% of Russians were in thatch huts with fishing or small scale farming being their sources of survival. Tens of millions of Whites in Russia, Poland and elsewhere stayed that way...some up until 100 years ago or even more recently...even when the Germans invaded Russia in 1942 they were appalled that entire villages were nothing but mud, wood boards and thatch. Nothing close to what Coastal or River-based Europe had seen.
The Hajnal Line - This is a line that runs throughout Europe that delineates customs of marriage and family structure. To the west and north of the Hajnal Line, families were less clannish, child bearing was delayed until later into adulthood and married couples tended not to live with large extended families. The development of Europe matches well with the Hajnal Line, with western Europe developing faster and while east and south of the Hajnal Line, the Europeans had stunted economic growth which can still be seen today.

Italy and Iberia are also divided by the Hajnal Line and the level of economic development in both areas is still very stark. Northern Italy is much more developed than southern Italy and it's been this way for centuries.
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Old Yesterday, 06:41 PM
 
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I think you are missing the boat here by focusing on advancement and the like. Let me ask you a philosophical question, first. Who is superior.....a sprinter or marathon runner? A smart person would say that it depends on where the finish line is. Where is the finish line for humanity? Being "ahead" or more advanced at a point in time does not mean that at a later point on time or previous point in time you will not be behind. Regardless of the race of Egyptians....where were Europeans and how were they living when pyramids and technology and engineering was flourishing in Egypt? Why are not the Egyptians dominating today?



Secondly, for biological entities....the only measure of success is propagation and continuation of the blood line. The most successful races, biologically, are the races whose populations are growing the fastest. That's it. It's a numbers game for species. The race that is growing the fastest is the superior race biologically, at that moment in time. The race that is living a sustainable existence and pace, in harmony with nature, would probably last longer than a race that is "sprinting" by exhausting resources and creating instruments of mass destruction....which balances out and offsets all the great technological constructions they may achieve as the power that they invent for good will eventually be turned against themselves.





The places where population is rapidly growing today are backwaters or repressive religious places that haven't contributed to humanity's advancement for 100s of years by virtue of their backwardness and religiosity. The "greatest inventions and advancements for humanity" to come out of sub-Saharan Africa prior to Arab or (especially) European conquest could fit on a post-it note.



The Arabs had a good thing going before they let their silly religion go fundamentalist and retarded their growth to this day. Now they haven't contributed anything of worth toward humanity for about 700 years.





In fact, the places were populations are growing today are only growing because the people of those regions are sycophants, living off the advancements and technology of superior cultures; without whom they'd still die en masse from dysentery and mosquito bites and AIDS.






The rapid population expansion is also a result of cultures which subjugate women merging with western medicine and modern food production. There's a direct inverse correlation between education and emancipation of women and fertility. As advancements are (hopefully) made for women in these unproductive regions of the world, the fertility rates will predictably fall. It's already happened in Latin America.




Rapid population growth and high fertility this day in age is a sign of low IQ and regressive cultures at this point. Which doesn't bode well for humanity's future. Far from "living in harmony with nature," and more "living in harmony with ignorance."
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Old Yesterday, 06:47 PM
 
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In terms of war ability Europe was a bunch of small nations constantly at war with each other. In comparison China and the Muslim lands usually just had one dominant power. There was intense pressure to innovation war weapons and techniques to keep from being obliterated by your neighbors. Religious debates within Christianity at time encouraged mass literacy.

I generally like Guns Germs and Steel theory but I add Zeal. The Christian faith tells people to travel and spread the gospel. By 1500 Middle East had few Christians, Europe main hub of Christian thought. In 1500 Chinese and Ottomans had technology to explore world but were more inward looking. Europeans badly wanted trade with the Far East and South Asia but Ottomans blocked the routes. Any nation that could secure a trade route got a major leg up on the competition.
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I don't know why you say that. White Americans are still overwhelmingly European with very little admixture of other races present. Now white European is not considered the entire race that Caucasian is. But my point is in America as in Europe the majority population is of the same genetic group, and that influences the culture they create.
There is no such thing as European culture. Our European ancestors didn’t call themselves European, they identified as what ever country they came from. Irish in America had almost nothing in common with say Hungarians in America. No shared language, no shared history, no common traditions,etc. take Denmark and Italy. Same issues. There are dozens of these examples, and indeed numerous historical examples of what you call Europeans outright rejecting one another as they came to America for being “too different”.
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