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Old 08-11-2019, 07:25 AM
 
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The Gini Coefficient in the US has been on the rise since Reagan took office. The Forbes 400 (top 400 wealthiest Americans) combined net worth was about $3 trillion in 2017.

And GOPers say we can't afford $70 billion per year for SNAP benefits? Who in hell wants to deprive a million elementary school kids of a free school lunch when their parents are having a hard time making ends meet? Those people should be ashamed of themselves.

In this context, I support everything socialist. UBI, Medicare for all, free college, you name it. If 1000 among us can afford to buy small islands in the pacific and own a fleet of private jets, then we should all be able to live with a baseline of food, shelter and dignity.
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Old 08-11-2019, 07:25 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I urge you to read this paper to get more informed:

https://www.un.org/development/desa/...S_2017_ch2.pdf
LOL. And you were the one warning me not to get info from "think tanks."
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Old 08-11-2019, 07:29 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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The Gini Coefficient in the US has been on the rise since Reagan took office. The Forbes 400 (top 400 wealthiest Americans) combined net worth was about $3 trillion in 2017.

And GOPers say we can't afford $70 billion per year for SNAP benefits? Who in hell wants to deprive a million elementary school kids of a free school lunch when their parents are having a hard time making ends meet? Those people should be ashamed of themselves.

In this context, I support everything socialist. UBI, Medicare for all, free college, you name it. If 1000 among us can afford to buy small islands in the pacific and own a fleet of private jets, then we should all be able to live with a baseline of food, shelter and dignity.
Yup, let's even everything out and make everyone equally poor. That'll make all you socialists happy.
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Old 08-11-2019, 07:39 AM
 
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LOL. And you were the one warning me not to get info from "think tanks."
The United Nations isnt a think tank. So you didnt read any of it. Call me surprised. You'll find the same information about the post-war economic boom in Europe in any serious publication.
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Old 08-11-2019, 07:43 AM
 
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Yup, let's even everything out and make everyone equally poor. That'll make all you socialists happy.
I would be very happy if we could rekindle the spirit of caring about our neighbors. There is no reason we should be humiliating the poor. We are better than that, and we can afford to give a lot more.
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Old 08-11-2019, 07:48 AM
 
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They don't set prices based on how much tax they pay, their business model is to compete on the basis of price and convenience. The premise that if businesses paid less tax the things they make would cost less has been proven wrong once again by virtue of the fact that they didn't reduce prices because of the 2018 tax bill.
That's where you're wrong. If their taxes are too high, they can't compete with their competitors. And just so you know, taxes are ALWAYS included in the pricing formula, even including "loss-leaders" as how much in 'sales price divided by cost' negative revenue per unit is a known and carefully considered factor. If the "loss-leader" increases the customer base and thereby increases profits as customers buy other goods/services to the extent that the profits are greater than the loss, the "loss-leader" strategy is implemented.

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Section 1: Pricing terms

Overhead expenses
All costs found on the income statement except for direct labor, direct materials, and costs attributable to outside subcontractors that can be billed directly to a customer’s account.
Overhead expenses are absorbed by the business and factored into the selling price as a percentage of the direct labor cost. They include indirect costs such as accounting, advertising, depreciation, indirect labor, insurance, interest, legal fees, rent, repairs, supplies, taxes, telephone, travel and utilities.
https://missouribusiness.net/article...ead-and-price/

Always remember... Corporations don't pay taxes. Their clients/consumers pay the corporate tax. Business 101.
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Old 08-11-2019, 07:49 AM
 
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I would be very happy if we could rekindle the spirit of caring about our neighbors. There is no reason we should be humiliating the poor. We are better than that, and we can afford to give a lot more.
Not wanting to be robbed by an armed politician can hardly be called "humiliating the poor". In fact those same politicians wielding redistributive and destructive schemes contribute mightly to the lowly economic status of said "poor".
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Old 08-11-2019, 07:59 AM
 
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The Gini Coefficient in the US has been on the rise since Reagan took office. The Forbes 400 (top 400 wealthiest Americans) combined net worth was about $3 trillion in 2017.

And GOPers say we can't afford $70 billion per year for SNAP benefits? Who in hell wants to deprive a million elementary school kids of a free school lunch when their parents are having a hard time making ends meet? Those people should be ashamed of themselves.

In this context, I support everything socialist. UBI, Medicare for all, free college, you name it. If 1000 among us can afford to buy small islands in the pacific and own a fleet of private jets, then we should all be able to live with a baseline of food, shelter and dignity.
Here's what you don't know about SNAP, free school breakfast, lunch, dinner (for after school program kids), and snacks, free summer meals for kids age 1-18 via public school systems, and other Fed Gov subsidized means-tested free food programs:

The obesity rates of the poor on food stamps compared to the poor who aren't on food stamps, and compared to the rest of the population:

Income-eligible children on food stamps: 24%
Income-eligible children NOT on food stamps: 20%
Non-poor children who of course don't even qualify for food stamps: 13%

Kids who get Food Stamps (and free school meals, and who knows how many additional Nutrition Service benefits) have an 85% higher obesity rate than kids who don't qualify for those benefits.

Income-eligible adults on food stamps: 44% obese
Income-eligible adults NOT on food stamps: 33% obese
Non-poor adults who of course don't even qualify for food stamps: 32% obese

Adults who get Food Stamps (and who knows how many additional Nutrition Service benefits) have a 33.3% higher obesity rate than adults who qualify for those benefits but choose to not receive them.

Do the math, and recognize that this is a SIGNIFICANT problem.

Exhibit 5, here:
http://www.fns.usda.gov/sites/defaul...-SNAP07-10.pdf

Also, it certainly does appear that the children of poor and low-income families who receive free school breakfast, lunch, etc., program meals, regardless of whether they get food stamps, are being overfed.

And to confirm, the USDA OIG (Office of the Inspector General) has found that a full 59% of families on Food Stamps also double-dip and triple-dip, or more, free food benefits from major Federal means-tested free food programs for the exact same daily meals:

Overlap and Duplication in Food and Nutrition Service's Nutrition Programs - USDA OIG
http://www.usda.gov/oig/webdocs/27001-0001-10.pdf

Let that sink in... A full 59% of families on Food Stamps also double-dip and triple-dip, or more, free food benefits from major Federal means-tested free food programs (like free school breakfast/lunch/dinner in after school programs) for the exact same daily meals.

Are we really doing the poor any favors by causing their obesity by letting them double-dip and sometimes even triple-dip or more government free food program benefits, thereby enabling their overeating and ruining their health? They are disproportionately obese, and cost us a lot more tax money to pay for their obesity-related health problems, such as heart disease and diabetes.
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Old 08-11-2019, 07:59 AM
 
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Not wanting to be robbed by an armed politician can hardly be called "humiliating the poor". In fact those same politicians wielding redistributive and destructive schemes contribute mightly to the lowly economic status of said "poor".
Yet, you never provide any evidence of a society with low poverty and a strong working class and middle class with no public safety net and only charity to rely on.

Perhaps because it doesnt exist and never has?
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Old 08-11-2019, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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But the mad scientist hypocrite will hide his money.

Stick a fork in him, his campaign is toast.

Sanders has a better message than Trump without the hate.
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